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Post 1 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 14:45
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Is there written anywhere that playing Sonos in a A/V showroom without proper licensing is breaking the copyright? I have a partner who disagrees with this and thinks us being an authorized dealer is enough.
Post 2 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 14:55
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What licensing would you need to play sonos(or any audio for that matter) in a retail showroom?

I've never heard of anyone needed any special license to play music in a showroom.
Post 3 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 14:58
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On September 4, 2015 at 14:55, Impaqt said...
What licensing would you need to play sonos(or any audio for that matter) in a retail showroom?

I've never heard of anyone needed any special license to play music in a showroom.

I assume he means ASCAP and BMI for the content.
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Post 4 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 15:06
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On September 4, 2015 at 14:58, Fins said...
I assume he means ASCAP and BMI for the content.

Both of those Nazi organizations are usually only after people playing music for entertainment purposes.

Bars, restaurants, etc, etc.


In your showroom you would be demonstrating how the system works. I do believe that's a different animal.
Post 5 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 15:39
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I was in the music biz for 20 years. And in most cases, ASCAP, BMI and also SESAC, would only go after clubs, bars. However, they now go after everyone that plays copy written material. Which includes artists, DJ's, and yes everyone else including yourself. I knew a sports bar owner that had to pay because he had the volume turned up on the TV's! If its got music being played by a person and/or a device, you must have a license. Odds are you would not see them. However, if they did come buy you will be warned and/or fined.
Post 6 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 16:54
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On September 4, 2015 at 15:39, Cole Seaver said...
I was in the music biz for 20 years. And in most cases, ASCAP, BMI and also SESAC, would only go after clubs, bars. However, they now go after everyone that plays copy written material. Which includes artists, DJ's, and yes everyone else including yourself. I knew a sports bar owner that had to pay because he had the volume turned up on the TV's! If its got music being played by a person and/or a device, you must have a license. Odds are you would not see them. However, if they did come buy you will be warned and/or fined.

Sorry. I dont believe AV Showrooms or retail stores fall under any "Public viewing" license.

I would definitely have to see this happen to believe it.
Post 7 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 17:11
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On September 4, 2015 at 16:54, Impaqt said...
Sorry. I dont believe AV Showrooms or retail stores fall under any "Public viewing" license.

I would definitely have to see this happen to believe it.

You don't think BB has to pay for a commercial cable or sat account?

Licenses are based on occupancy. In an AV showroom, most of us would rarely have more than two customers at a time.
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Post 8 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 17:45
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On September 4, 2015 at 17:11, Fins said...
You don't think BB has to pay for a commercial cable or sat account?

I believe they have a commercial account. I dont believe its a public viewing account.


Licenses are based on occupancy. In an AV showroom, most of us would rarely have more than two customers at a time.

How many people are in the establishment is academic. as you said, licenses are based on occupancy, not how many people you have in the room. When we do bars with DirecTV, they paperwork for the account is clearly based on the occupancy of the bar and you pay based on that. Not how many people are actually IN the bar viewing the TV's at any given time. In other words, they assume you are at max occupancy all the time for billing.
Post 9 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 17:54
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Does Chevy have to pay? Every car on the lot has a radio in it.
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Post 10 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 18:07
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On September 4, 2015 at 17:54, Mac Burks (39) said...
Does Chevy have to pay? Every car on the lot has a radio in it.

But of course.... ;-)



I've had four people in my truck, and the radio playing, so I guess they'll come after me for entertaining without a license....LOL
Post 11 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 18:12
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On September 4, 2015 at 17:45, Impaqt said...
I believe they have a commercial account. I dont believe its a public viewing account.

How many people are in the establishment is academic. as you said, licenses are based on occupancy, not how many people you have in the room. When we do bars with DirecTV, they paperwork for the account is clearly based on the occupancy of the bar and you pay based on that. Not how many people are actually IN the bar viewing the TV's at any given time. In other words, they assume you are at max occupancy all the time for billing.

It's been a long time since I did the activation paperwork on commercial sat accounts. For a restaurant, is it based on max seating (tables and chairs) or the occupancy rating? in a bar where you may have standing customers, occupancy rating would make sense.

I was thinking retail shops that put in background music were supposed to have licenses. And in a small retail store, you might could easily fit 100 people safely, but would probably never have more than 10 customers at one time.
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Post 12 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 18:24
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Ah, looks like retail spaces are licensed by square footage

[Link: bmi.com]
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Post 13 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 18:53
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On September 4, 2015 at 18:24, Fins said...
Ah, looks like retail spaces are licensed by square footage

[Link: bmi.com]

interesting.. but I still question whether or not that would apply to demonstrating goods.

most AV stores dont have any kind of store wide single source audio. its all individual speakers or systems.

I can see that applying to stores that do play background music all day....
Post 14 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 19:11
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On September 4, 2015 at 18:53, Impaqt said...
interesting.. but I still question whether or not that would apply to demonstrating goods.

most AV stores dont have any kind of store wide single source audio. its all individual speakers or systems.

I can see that applying to stores that do play background music all day....

I don't disagree with you. But we've all heard the stories and read the articles about what pricks BMI and ASCAP are.
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Post 15 made on Friday September 4, 2015 at 22:54
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My store was visited by a threatening rep from one of those organizations back in the 80's. I pointed out that we should be rewarded for promoting more devices that sell his product. It was then that he actually noted the nature of the business and gruffly agreed, left the store, and no one has bothered us since.
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