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Trade-ins & consignment of cust's gear?
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Post 1 made on Monday October 18, 2004 at 08:07
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Who has experience taking trades or remarketing customer's old gear? Anyone try Ebay-ing customer's old gear for a fee? I'm interested in both the up side and down side aspects.
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Post 2 made on Monday October 18, 2004 at 13:51
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We did this for about a year and quit.

It takes a lot of time and has very little reward, especially if you have to share the return with the customer. And the customer has every right to expect that you will sell it quickly. If they did it themselves, they would see how much time is involved and how unsuccessful it can be. If you take this on, you insulate them from that reality and almost guarantee a headache for yourself.

In our area, UPS has apparently decided to increase their shipping business by opening branches that will take goods with a minimum value (%75, I, think), sell them on ebay, ship them out, and give your customer some fixed percentage of the sale. Check this out! Someone has decided to have this headache all for themselves, so let them have it!

Even though we have a shop, the number of people who stop by wanting used equipment is VERY limited, maybe a half percent of our traffic.
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Post 3 made on Monday October 18, 2004 at 16:57
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We move alot of used gear through ebay and through our showroom. We are in a shopping center that gets alot of walk through traffic. Depending on the quality of the used good we will take it in on trade. Then we will determine whether it goes on ebay or sell it in our shop depending on ebays going rate. We do not sell on consignment. Most of our used brands include Sony, Denon, JBL, and Sharp. We seem to get more TV's than anything.

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Post 4 made on Monday October 18, 2004 at 18:43
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With the disclaimer that ebay is an advertiser, take a look at this story in Oct. CE Pro. There's a lot of opportunity online; you just have to work at using it to your advantage.
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Client Upgrades? Make Money from Used Gear
eBay touts online auction as effective tool for offloading trade-ins and outdated merchandise

by Julie Jacobson

eBay wants to be your friend. So much so, that the online auction behemoth is hanging out a giant shingle at the forthcoming Electronic House Expo, Nov. 15-18 in Long Beach, Calif.

As a gold sponsor of the event, eBay will be everywhere, especially in the huge lounge they’ve reserved simply to introduce themselves to skeptical attendees. “Our message is going to be: ‘Come on in and learn how we can be one of your best business partners.’” says Karl Wiley, director of consumer electronics for eBay.

Wiley has seen many A/V retailers thrive on eBay, and he believes the online vehicle can work for specialty retailers and integrators as well.

“Technology changes so rapidly that products can become obsolete while they’re still in the dealers’ inventory. Similarly, consumers are always wanting to swap yesterday’s surround sound receiver with the latest and greatest. Where does all that perfectly usable product go?” Wiley asks.

Often it goes to friends and family of the integrator. “Sometimes we offer it at extreme discounts to our clients or give it to employees,” says Tom Callahan of Sawyers Control Systems, Frenchtown, N.J. “Some of our vendors are very much against putting their products on eBay. We wouldn’t want to jeopardize our relationships to make a few bucks.”

Then there’s Engineered Environments (EE), an integration company in Oakland, Calif. They might sell 100 products on eBay this year. “Usually it’s equipment we take out of homes because we’re upgrading their system,” says EE’s Greg Jensen. “Seventy percent of the time the client just gives it to us so they can get rid of it.”
And naturally, when a client’s home is sold, there’s another opportunity to rip out (rather, delicately extricate) old products and replace them with newer goods for the proud homeowners.

He admits, though, “the warehouse guys absolutely hate it when we come back with stuff.”

EE has the most success selling integration products such as those from Crestron and AMX. “There are a lot of integrators or do-it-yourselfers that won’t spend $5,000 for a new touchscreen, but they may pay $500 for a four-year-old touchscreen.”
EE also uses eBay to offload discontinued items that can’t be sold to clients.
Don’t their vendors care? Most of them don’t, says Jensen, but naturally EE refrains from auctioning products from manufacturers who object.

Some manufacturers with great reputations among custom integrators have set up eBay stores themselves. Harman International, an eBay success story, is happy to promote its online presence. Herman Sperling, group vice president of marketing for Harman Consumer Group, says, "Since we have this [online] vehicle, we can release new product as planned to meet market requirements. We have found that selling the older products ourselves frees our dealers to promote the newer lines."

In addition, says Sperling, “We find this approach is preferable to traditional practices that might include offloading to liquidators that generally sell to unauthorized dealers, who may try to sell distressed product as new or in other ways confuse the market and demean the value of the brand . … Our approach, on the other hand, allows us to protect our distribution, represent products honestly, and ultimately bring more value to our authorized dealers.”

Furthermore, Sperling explains, because of the direct customer contact that Harman enjoys through eBay, "We have a great market research opportunity. We know exactly what the marketplace is saying about our products. This is valuable information we offer to our retailers."

It’s simple enough for anyone to hop on eBay and sell (or buy) products. There are, however, many tricks of the trade, like how to price products, what to charge for shipping, and whether or not to set up an eBay store.

For this reason, eBay has set up Seller OnRamp, a new program to help potentially active sellers make the best use of their online efforts. “If you’ve either struggled with eBay or if you’ve never tried and don’t know how to get started, OnRamp is a great way to go, says Wiley”

Through the OnRamp program, participants speak to specially trained eBay representatives via a toll-free phone number, receiving one-on-one guidance for up to eight hours. eBay will promote this service during EHX (www.ehx2004.com). In addition the company will sponsor a keynote panel discussion featuring integrators and manufacturers who have used online auctions to buy and sell CE Pro-related gear. The panel discussion, free of charge for EHX registrants, is Wed., Nov. 17, 9 a.m.-10 a.m.
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Post 5 made on Monday October 18, 2004 at 18:46
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and another thing....
I know the head of ebay's consumer electronics division, and he says that the biggest impediment for professional resellers (like integrators) to using online auctions is that they don't have any idea how much used gear can fetch.

He is part of a panel discussion on this topic during EHX. I'm looking for one more integrator to be on the panel. What about you, vwpower???

following is some recent sales on eBay for USED GEAR!

JM Lab Electra 906 Bookshelf Speakers -- $1,075
B&W CDM-1NT Bookshelf Speakers -- $850
Infinity Intermezzo 2.6 Powered Speakers -- $677
B&W 802 Nautilus Floor Standing Speakers -- $5,555
Infinity Intermezzo 4.1T-Z 4-way Tower Speakers -- $2,125
Klipsch Klipschorn Serial Pair Speakers -- $2,025
Yamaha RX-Z9 DSP A/V Home Theater Receiver -- $2,500
Pioneer Elite VSX-49TXi THX Ultra 2 Receiver -- $1,825
Harman Kardon AVR7000 5.1 channel Receiver -- $450
Harman Kardon AVR7200 7.1 channel Receiver -- $710
Denon AVR4802 6.1 channel Receiver -- $860
McIntosh Vintage MC-275 Genalex Tube Amplifier $7,100
McIntosh Vintage MR71 Tube Tuner -- $1,027
Sony TiVo Upgraded SVR-2000 144 hour DVR -- $455
TiVo Series2 80 hour DVR -- $424
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Post 6 made on Tuesday October 19, 2004 at 14:51
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On 10/18/04 22:46 ET, juliejacobson said...
and another thing....
I know the head of ebay's consumer electronics
division, and he says that the biggest impediment
for professional resellers (like integrators)
to using online auctions is that they don't have
any idea how much used gear can fetch.

He is part of a panel discussion on this topic
during EHX. I'm looking for one more integrator
to be on the panel. What about you, vwpower???

following is some recent sales on eBay for USED
GEAR!

JM Lab Electra 906 Bookshelf Speakers -- $1,075
B&W CDM-1NT Bookshelf Speakers -- $850

Infinity Intermezzo 2.6 Powered Speakers -- $677

B&W 802 Nautilus Floor Standing Speakers -- $5,555

Infinity Intermezzo 4.1T-Z 4-way Tower Speakers
-- $2,125

Klipsch Klipschorn Serial Pair Speakers -- $2,025

Yamaha RX-Z9 DSP A/V Home Theater Receiver --
$2,500

Pioneer Elite VSX-49TXi THX Ultra 2 Receiver --
$1,825

Harman Kardon AVR7000 5.1 channel Receiver --
$450

Harman Kardon AVR7200 7.1 channel Receiver --
$710

Denon AVR4802 6.1 channel Receiver -- $860

McIntosh Vintage MC-275 Genalex Tube Amplifier
$7,100

McIntosh Vintage MR71 Tube Tuner -- $1,027

Sony TiVo Upgraded SVR-2000 144 hour DVR -- $455

TiVo Series2 80 hour DVR -- $424

Hey Julie,

How did the Infinity's and HK gear slip into the mix, I thought we were professional integrators :) JK
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OP | Post 7 made on Wednesday October 20, 2004 at 10:28
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Thanks very much, all. Great insight both positive and negative.

I'm encountering projects where the question of "what do I do with the old stuff?" is the biggest impediment to moving forward with new work, and I'm looking for a way to move this stuff.

Any more input from others?
Carpe diem!
Post 8 made on Wednesday October 20, 2004 at 16:18
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I run into so many customers who already own Bose *uhgh, the vomit wells up when I even type it*, I offer to trade in the Bose stuff (or other decent used gear) in for current ebay value and take care of selling it. I use the money as credit towards a new system.

I just UPSed one off today. It definitely gives people more motovation to upgrade if they set some value for their current stuff.
Post 9 made on Wednesday October 20, 2004 at 18:44
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What we have done in the past is use the ORION BLUE BOOK for Audio and Video.
We will give them the listed value. You can show it to them right then & there so it lessens the "i got screwed" mentallity. From there we've donated equipment, sold it to someone else or stick it on ebay.

Robbie S
Post 10 made on Wednesday October 20, 2004 at 20:20
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How about taking the old Bose or projector and stick it somewhere for the kids to use. Old projector w/84" screen and Blose would make for some awesome Mario Kart action. You'd be better giving some labor away than discounting equipment. My 2 cent dumbass concept.
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OP | Post 11 made on Thursday October 21, 2004 at 19:08
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You'd be better giving some
labor away than discounting equipment.

I have to disagree there. Remember that labor costs you money, either your own time or a hired person's. You health insurance costs or rent or whatever don't stop adding up every day just because you decided to stop charging a customer after some predetermined number of hours. And, the possibility of a big problem (on the job injury, van wreck, gashed wallpaper) is still there even if you are not charging, but you will be responsible for the costs of the mishap even so.
Carpe diem!


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