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Speaker Wire Mod for ATON
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| Topic: | Speaker Wire Mod for ATON This thread has 13 replies. Displaying all posts. |
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| Post 1 made on Friday January 30, 2015 at 12:26 |
is there any harm in cutting down 12g wire to fit a smaller size input on the back of the ATON. Reason I am asking is I want to buy a ATON speaker selector. I found a few reviews that mention if you have anything bigger than 14g wire it will not fit into the ATON. I have already pulled my wire in walls and ceilings.Any suggestions is appreciated. Thanks for your help and time. James
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| Post 2 made on Friday January 30, 2015 at 12:36 |
ichbinbose Select Member |
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If you already pulled 12 gauge wire to your speakers do yourself a favor and purchase a product that is actually able to handle the wire.
Odds are it will perform better as well
Most good amps have no trouble handling 12 gauge wire
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| OP | Post 3 made on Friday January 30, 2015 at 12:46 |
On January 30, 2015 at 12:36, ichbinbose said...
If you already pulled 12 gauge wire to your speakers do yourself a favor and purchase a product that is actually able to handle the wire.
Odds are it will perform better as well
Most good amps have no trouble handling 12 gauge wire My AVR is Integra 7.8 and seems to be performing well. Are you saying that the ATON will not handle the wire and will under perform? Is there a unit similar to the ATON that will make up for the error on my part of big is better? Thanks for your help and time. James
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| Post 4 made on Friday January 30, 2015 at 13:00 |
Ernie Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
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There will be no problem.
To make the best possible connection, solder about three inches of 14 ga wire to the end of the 12 ga wire. (You can even use 16 ga wire!) Soldering means it will be an oxygen-free connection that will not degrade. The only reason I suggest three inches of wire instead of less is that the smaller diameter wire should be more flexible than the larger diameter, so you're building in in a bit of strain relief.
A properly done crimp connection will be just as good. To be picky, you need to look up crimp connections and learn how to do them correctly.
How about the negative effects of the smaller wire? Let's look at resistance...
12 ga wire is 1.588 ohms per thousand feet. 14 ga wire is 2.525 ohms per thousand feet. Doing some math: 2.525 inches of 12 ga has the same resistance as 1.588 inches of 14 ga wire. You should worry about using three inches of 14 ga exactly as much as you'd worry about using five inches of 12 gauge.
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| Post 5 made on Friday January 30, 2015 at 13:11 |
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Safest way would be to see if you can find some Flex Pin speaker connectors. They were designed to take 12ga down for older style screw/punch terminals and such. Not certain they'll work with Aton's connector though. [Link: ebay.com]Or a wall plate, put you'll loose some of the benefit of having run the 12ga.
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| OP | Post 6 made on Friday January 30, 2015 at 15:17 |
thank you for your time in suggestions. James
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| Post 7 made on Friday January 30, 2015 at 15:22 |
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On January 30, 2015 at 13:11, Rob Grabon said...
Safest way would be to see if you can find some Flex Pin speaker connectors. They were designed to take 12ga down for older style screw/punch terminals and such. Not certain they'll work with Aton's connector though. [Link: ebay.com]Or a wall plate, put you'll loose some of the benefit of having run the 12ga. +1
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| Post 8 made on Friday January 30, 2015 at 20:16 |
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Years ago I worked on a job that was wired with 10 gauge, found some connectors similar to these. [Link: amazon.com]System is still alive and working well.
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| Post 9 made on Saturday January 31, 2015 at 01:17 |
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On January 30, 2015 at 13:11, Rob Grabon said...
Safest way would be to see if you can find some Flex Pin speaker connectors.
They were designed to take 12ga down for older style screw/punch terminals and such. Not certain they'll work with Aton's connector though. I am not 100 per cent with you. It will depend on whether the speaker terminals are spring type, binding post, or... A pin may only get 20-30% contact with some amp connections. Worst would be one of those spring loaded terminals where it just has two thin pieces of metal clamping the pin. In that case, stranded wire would get a whole lot more surface area actually connected to the terminal. Ernie's on the right track. There is no resistance increase with the short change of gauge. In similar situations I have "pruned" a stranded wire until it fit by removing only as many strands as needed.
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| Post 10 made on Saturday January 31, 2015 at 13:56 |
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Since we are wondering what the speaker connections look like on an Aton. From the site:  It looks like you'd be hard pressed to fit 16 gauge in there, let alone 12. I would combine Ernie's idea of gauging it down along with Rob's flex pin idea.
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| Post 11 made on Saturday January 31, 2015 at 14:52 |
Ernie Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
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On January 31, 2015 at 13:56, tweeterguy said...
Since we are wondering what the speaker connections look like on an Aton. From the site: It's nice to have a picture, but I can't figure out AT ALL what is going on there. What are the vertical black lines? Do you push somewhere to get a spring terminal to open up, or ? ? It shows that the speaker output connections are only a bit more than twice as wide as the IR connections, but since most IR wires are 26 gauge, that could mean the speaker wires can only accommodate about 20 gauge! Can you point out something in the image that will give us an idea of the size of the thing we're looking at?
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| Post 12 made on Saturday January 31, 2015 at 17:54 |
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Big Ern, you remember when volume controls were all the rage. What you are seeing is the same type of connector. Translation: a shitty one where 18 gauge fit and anything more had to be hacked down. 
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| Post 13 made on Monday February 2, 2015 at 21:24 |
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I would take post #2 to heart. There is a reason the Aton has only 16 gauge inputs.
These units will not handle a lot of power. "They will not handle power".
Use a big amp or a strong receiver with a good zone 2 output, and your doomed !
The connectors are the size that they are for a reason.
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| Post 14 made on Monday February 2, 2015 at 22:08 |
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Get gold pins.
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