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MacBookPro - Slowest "fast" computer i have ever owned - How do i fix it?
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Post 46 made on Sunday December 28, 2014 at 01:16
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On December 28, 2014 at 00:47, Mac Burks (39) said...
One of the major differences between "multimedia" or "Entertainment" laptops vs "gaming" or "Desktop replacement" laptops is dispaly resolution and discrete graphics. The HP DV7, like most off the shelf laptops has integrated (shared) graphics and many are not even HD.

Discrete graphics plus an SSD hard are probably the two most important things that set higher end laptops apart from what you can pick up at Best Buy. The 3rd thing would be a clean install of windows from a windows disc. Erase whatever came on the computer and start fresh.

Forgot to mention the discreet graphics. Yes mine has nvidia discreet graphics. It will output up to 4k via HDMI. This is true on the current dv7t as well. You have to build/customize it, but it is available for sure.
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OP | Post 47 made on Sunday December 28, 2014 at 02:57
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I just fixed my internet browsing issues by disabling flash. It crashed every few minutes. After turning it off i can finally surf the internet again. I can't wait for that garbage to completely vanish. How is it possible to have an application run like crap for over 10 years?
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Post 48 made on Sunday December 28, 2014 at 09:19
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How does a Mac work without two buttons anyway?

Really? It's super crazy, but Mac trackpads dont have ANY buttons. How can they possibly work at all?

If you don't think that a Mac trackpad has a right click button, welcome to 2007. Two finger click or command click is and has been a right click. The wired Mighty Mouse had a right click button. The wireless Magic Mouse has a right click. Etc etc.
Post 49 made on Sunday December 28, 2014 at 13:07
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On December 28, 2014 at 09:19, rlustig said...
How does a Mac work without two buttons anyway?

Really? It's super crazy, but Mac trackpads dont have ANY buttons. How can they possibly work at all?

If you don't think that a Mac trackpad has a right click button, welcome to 2007. Two finger click or command click is and has been a right click. The wired Mighty Mouse had a right click button. The wireless Magic Mouse has a right click. Etc etc.

well the 2013 MBP i bought (long story), i hated and gave to my employee within the week. i guess only douchey smart asses know how to use them!
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OP | Post 50 made on Sunday December 28, 2014 at 13:47
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On December 28, 2014 at 13:07, edizzle said...
well the 2013 MBP i bought (long story), i hated and gave to my employee within the week. i guess only douchey smart asses know how to use them!

When my boss got his first mbp years ago i was forced to use it for something...i cant even remember. I couldn't figure out how to use the track pad. I was cussing the whole time. The lenovo W500 i was using had 2 mice and that damn MBP didn't work like either of them.

The track pad is one of the reasons i didn't get one sooner. After using the magic mouse with my iMac and then using mac books for other things i realized that the problem was just me trying to use it the wrong way. It's actually way more intuitive than any windows mouse i have used and 1000X more capable. I don't use an external mouse for my laptop because i usually don't have a place for it when the top of a ladder is my desk.

I use a windows keyboard and an apple magic mouse when i have the mac book docked at home. I need the windows keys so i can work faster and the magic mouse IMO is the best mouse whether you are using windows or mac. They have an external track pad but a "regular" mouse is easier for me when i have a choice.
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Post 51 made on Sunday December 28, 2014 at 17:13
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On December 27, 2014 at 22:40, edizzle said...
im not sure i follow you here. the extra money you are paying for a mac is definitely not directly related to performance. you can build an exact specced machine from hp and save alot of money, dump in 3 years and repeat. I never said to not max it out.

Please prove it.

ease understand that I'm a windows guy. I've never owned a mac so everyone stop with the fanboi-ish bull crap talk. I'm not looking at a Mac book becAuse I'm some fanboi that s trying to look cool. I'm honestly trying to get a better laptop.

I spent $1800 or so on my Lenovo when new and it was decent but spent an edge $500 in upgrades and it's not the same build quality as macs that I've used from Clients.

So so far every Dell, Blade and HP I've looked at with beefed up hardware has been damn near the same price or more than a similar MBP.

build quality doesn't just mean it can handle a drop, it's also the fit and feel of using the damn thing. 
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Post 52 made on Monday December 29, 2014 at 00:40
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On December 28, 2014 at 13:07, edizzle said...
well the 2013 MBP i bought (long story), i hated and gave to my employee within the week. i guess only douchey smart asses know how to use them!

I guess so.
Post 53 made on Monday December 29, 2014 at 00:43
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Ok, just very quickly before i go to bed.

HP envy 15t

15" FHD touchscreen
i7 quad core
256gb
backlit keyboard
16gb
2gb nvidia geforce 840m
built in optical drive

$1409

15" macbookpro
inferior i7 quad core
512gb
backlit keyboard
16gb
2gb nvidia geforce 750m
no optical

$2578 + windows

very close in specs there is nothing i do that i need the resolution on the laptop itself, so retina is useless to me. EVERYTHING else is biased towards the Envy for $1000 less!!

[Link: cpu-world.com]
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Post 54 made on Monday December 29, 2014 at 01:41
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On December 29, 2014 at 00:43, edizzle said...
Ok, just very quickly before i go to bed.

HP envy 15t

15" FHD touchscreen
i7 quad core
256gb
backlit keyboard
16gb
2gb nvidia geforce 840m
built in optical drive

$1409

15" macbookpro
inferior i7 quad core
512gb
backlit keyboard
16gb
2gb nvidia geforce 750m
no optical

$2578 + windows

very close in specs there is nothing i do that i need the resolution on the laptop itself, so retina is useless to me. EVERYTHING else is biased towards the Envy for $1000 less!!

[Link: cpu-world.com]

Okay, well that's kind of shit, because Retina High Res display is a big reason I want it. And On my must have list, especially when doing Graphics work. I have a 1080p screen now and its better. I HATE working on my older lower rez laptops. But the 1080 is at times still not enough, and I just don't want to deal with it.

Those CPU comparisons are cool, but the maxed MBP I was looking at has the i7-4980HQ, technically better than the 4710HQ that the HP has (not MQ).

BUT, even at that, even if the CPU actually was slightly less, inferior is a pretty strong word, they are pretty damn close in performance.

[Link: cpuboss.com]

What the hell is with a 256 gb ssd. I NEED more than that. Even the damn HP $2300 Zbook is only a 256 GB and none of them have an option to go any bigger.

The FACT is that a truly comparable PC laptop is probably damn near the same price.  What you list above is closer to a non-retina 13" MBP

The Crappy part is that you had me excited. I pulled up the HP and they look nice, but then seeing there isn't an option for even a 512 SSD or a higher rez monitor, I was let down. I can probably give on the high rez display, when it comes to time savings, this is where they can really help. Plus I need at least a 512 SSD. I don't like thinking or worrying about running out of space.

So I would at minimum have to spend another $500 on top of the $1400 to get a good SSD replacement.

I'm not looking for people to talk me into settling for less. I'm looking for comparable PC hardware options. The closest thing HP has is the OMEN 15, still lacking high rez display and settling for the inferior :)  i7-4710HQ cpu, but it's at $2200 already.
 
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OP | Post 55 made on Monday December 29, 2014 at 02:49
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Sofa...i spent 2 years going through this myself. You either pay $2-3k or settle for lower specs. The areas you will take a hit on with lower priced machines are...

Dedicated graphics vs integrated.

Display resolution. This knocks most pc's out of the running in the first round. The MBP has a better screen. Period. I have seen good screens on less expensive machines but they lack the resolution or SSD or CPU speed...you will go around in a circle and end up right back where you are.

Large Capactiy SSD HD vs a small SSD + standard drive for storage. You can get larger SSD's in some laptops but that usually jacks the price up to where it costs as much as the MBP.

The last thing will be physical size. There are tons of gaming machines out there with lots of power but they also have 2 or 3 times the weight and heat and less battery life. A lot of people say "who cares". The answer to that is YOU do. You have to lug this thing around for the next few years. A minor processor bump isn't enough to get you to lose the better screen and add the extra weight.

Then you have to think about service. Lenovo has top notch service...but they don't have stores in every major city. Their screen quality and resolution won't match up to the MBP...so we are right back in the circle headed back to the MBP.

My W500 was super fast...even at the end of its life. It had a 1920X1200 16:10 display. I was able to add a 1TB drive for storage where the CD drive was. I had a nice dock for it at home. Flat black, durable. It was relatively small, had decent battery life. The only complaint i had was that the display was like 50% of the brightness of every other laptop i had ever used and there was no way to change that. Reviews claim that the newer Lenovos have better displays but they are all 16:9.

For work you should get the top of the line MBP or the Lenovo W540 with specs (large SSD, 3k display, extra ram etc) maxed out.

Adding... i strongly suggest you find someone with the MBP and test drive it a little bit. Mine sucks with VMWare...if boot camp doesn't make it faster then you should go with the Lenovo.
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Post 56 made on Monday December 29, 2014 at 05:12
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I actually have a fully-loaded HP Zbook 14 (which is just a dual core machine, but more than enough for my purposes). i7 CPU, matte FHD IPS screen, 16gb, dedicated graphics, backlit keyboard, gigabit Ethernet, a well-working fingerprint reader... it's my first HP, but it's turned out to be a nice system with a very thoughtful design.

True, it only has a 240gb SSD... but here's the thing: almost everything is user serviceable in this thing, without affecting your warranty. Put in any 2.5" SSD you want, add on a second mSATA drive, WAN, replace the Wifi or RAM... there's even a removable battery. Plus, three years onsite warranty included as stock is very nice.

Personally, I think Apple makes very nice hardware, and their laptop pricing has actually been coming down into quite reasonable ranges for what you get. But as dedicated Windows systems, they are still sub-par... and since Apple only grudgingly offers Windows compatibility, this is to be expected.
Post 57 made on Monday December 29, 2014 at 06:34
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On December 29, 2014 at 05:12, Daniel Tonks said...
But as dedicated Windows systems, they are still sub-par... and since Apple only grudgingly offers Windows compatibility, this is to be expected.

Is there a machine that does run Windows perfectly?



Wait, did I just use the words "run Windows perfectly"?

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Post 58 made on Monday December 29, 2014 at 07:31
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On December 29, 2014 at 01:41, sofa_king_CI said...
Okay, well that's kind of shit, because Retina High Res display is a big reason I want it. And On my must have list, especially when doing Graphics work. I have a 1080p screen now and its better. I HATE working on my older lower rez laptops. But the 1080 is at times still not enough, and I just don't want to deal with it.

Those CPU comparisons are cool, but the maxed MBP I was looking at has the i7-4980HQ, technically better than the 4710HQ that the HP has (not MQ).

BUT, even at that, even if the CPU actually was slightly less, inferior is a pretty strong word, they are pretty damn close in performance.

[Link: cpuboss.com]

What the hell is with a 256 gb ssd. I NEED more than that. Even the damn HP $2300 Zbook is only a 256 GB and none of them have an option to go any bigger.

The FACT is that a truly comparable PC laptop is probably damn near the same price.  What you list above is closer to a non-retina 13" MBP

The Crappy part is that you had me excited. I pulled up the HP and they look nice, but then seeing there isn't an option for even a 512 SSD or a higher rez monitor, I was let down. I can probably give on the high rez display, when it comes to time savings, this is where they can really help. Plus I need at least a 512 SSD. I don't like thinking or worrying about running out of space.

So I would at minimum have to spend another $500 on top of the $1400 to get a good SSD replacement.

I'm not looking for people to talk me into settling for less. I'm looking for comparable PC hardware options. The closest thing HP has is the OMEN 15, still lacking high rez display and settling for the inferior :)  i7-4710HQ cpu, but it's at $2200 already.
 

Order the HP with the 1TB optical for $1250 and buy a 512 from anywhere for $250 and you are still $1000 under the MBP!!! They are almost identically specced save for the screen. If you want a better processor for the MBP that will add cost as it will to add it to any other machine. I just randomly picked a laptop to do compare, there are hundreds of other machines to choose from. On average you can save $750 to $1000. All day long.

To each is own, I have no desire to go Mac. I replace on average every 2 to 3 years. I am 100% satisfied with HP products. For at least the past 3 laptops, they have never failed me, not once. Even with undue abuse.

Also the two cpu I compared are almost identical in performance but the 4710 uses a socket that allows it to be replaced. That right there I would say pretty clearly puts the 4710 ahead, especially if you guys are keeping there a things as long as you do!

And also the HP has a superior graphics processor.
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Post 59 made on Monday December 29, 2014 at 07:41
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On December 29, 2014 at 06:34, King of typos said...
Is there a machine that does run Windows perfectly?

Wait, did I just use the words "run Windows perfectly"?

People say stuff like that as if it's normal for Windows to constantly crash, or be flaky, or have unending issues. Sure, it's not perfect. Nothing in the world of technology is.

But I say they're buying crap discount hardware, experiencing issues related to that, and then "magically" when they spend five times as much on a Mac, things start working. Apple knows how to pick proper hardware - and it costs. Well, I've always built my own desktops from quality top-tier hardware and bought premium Windows laptops, and I very rarely have issues that I would attribute to the OS. My main desktop which is going on 4 years old now (when you buy good stuff you don't have to upgrade as often), has never ONCE locked up or had a BSOD, and it's powered on and running 24x7.

Of course, this is with Windows 7. I still have no interest in touching 8! :-)

And that's another benefit of HP I got - they had a model that came stock with Windows 7, plus a license for 8 that I'll probably never use.
Post 60 made on Monday December 29, 2014 at 23:51
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On December 29, 2014 at 07:31, edizzle said...
Order the HP with the 1TB optical for $1250 and buy a 512 from anywhere for $250 and you are still $1000 under the MBP!!! They are almost identically specced save for the screen. If you want a better processor for the MBP that will add cost as it will to add it to any other machine. I just randomly picked a laptop to do compare, there are hundreds of other machines to choose from. On average you can save $750 to $1000. All day long.

I would rather have a 1TB SSD than have to carry one more extra part around. Personally, TIme is money, faster PC with higher screen resolution, good battery life (not huge but helps) and lets devices to setup every time I use it add's up.

As I said, 1-2 Minute savings per typical work day (based on a meager $60 an hour) and it pays for itself. Any more time savings and you're making money on it.

To each is own, I have no desire to go Mac. I replace on average every 2 to 3 years. I am 100% satisfied with HP products. For at least the past 3 laptops, they have never failed me, not once. Even with undue abuse.

I had no desire for mac either. I want the specs of a maxed out MBP, that's what will work for me. ON a PC would be even better, I can't find one. at least not for less money than the MBP and the Macs have great service (if needed) and reputation.

I've checked with many people using Mac to run Windows that are very happy.

Also the two cpu I compared are almost identical in performance but the 4710 uses a socket that allows it to be replaced. That right there I would say pretty clearly puts the 4710 ahead, especially if you guys are keeping there a things as long as you do!

And also the HP has a superior graphics processor.

Honestly, peak gaming graphics and movie editing graphics processor isn't as important as a quality higher rez display .

I keep my laptops for about 3 years....isn't that the same as you said. What are you talking about about "if you guys are keeping there a things as long as you do!"?
 
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