So, I was introduced to JAP in a real world setting. The temp install involved a DTV HR44 and a (admittedly very discriminating 8000 series) Samsung plasma. We actually had 2 DTV receivers ran to the TV. One, via the JAP stuff through a gig switch to the TV. And the second, a 50ft hard HDMI right out of the DTV receiver to the TV. Both receivers were turned to MNF and the difference was quite apparent.

The JAP system made the live MNF broadcast look like film. It reminded me of, but not quite exactly, the "soap opera effect" of the LED sets. Switching between the 2, there was what I would call an obvious difference, even to the untrained eye.

The JAP DTV IRD was set to 720P as per their recommendations.

What say you JAP installers? From what I saw, commercial installs would go unnoticed as to PQ. Has anyone installed this in a home and were asked about "the effect" native to this technology?

ICYW......this was the 2G stuff.

I've not used JAP but your testing scenario makes me wonder.

Obviously, both receivers were connected to HDMI inputs on the TV.
Did you switch cables at the TV to check if the issue moved with the cables?
Did you check to see if the discriminating plasma also had the ability to set different video properties for different inputs...and check to be sure they were the same?
Did you happen to switch receivers?
Did you try various output resolutions, most particularly using the same resolution for both images?
Incidentally, do you like the soap opera look, or dislike it? I happen to like it because it seems more realistic... we're used to the abnormal look of film!

now i know there is some compression, but usually it can only be seen on a projector screen.

I have yet to do a JAP system but i have one specked in a house that i just got the approval for. Your findings are making me a bit nervous though

Did you talk to the guys at JAP?

Not sure I agree, I have a video wall with 9 TVs and 9 other TVs all using the JAP system, 7 of the TVs are Samy 4k. Everything looks awesome, the 4k TVs look even better......so no, I do not agree.
Call JAP tech support(one of the best in the business) ask for Bob, let him go thru the details with you, BEFORE you make your decision.

My nickle,
RR

3G system....no picture issues, system with 4K sets up to 65" through out.

Isn't film and the soap opera affect complete opposites?

Great on the day I was to present my first JAP quote.

So was the other box set to 720P as well?
Why do they recommend 720P? For only DTV boxes or for all inputs?
What does film like mean? Smoother panning and a soft image?
Did you use an HR44 (indicated that was one of the boxes) and a different box? A Client? Because the image of the client boxes looks terrible!

Sorry but I don't know s$$t about Just Add Power but I've been always interested in the product and that's why I'm asking.

Swap the cables on both ends without touching anything else and report.
Between different DTV boxes, and custom settings per input on TV, there are too many variables to just say it's the JAP.

Yes, yes it is.

There are "features" on the 8000 series Samsung that need to be turned off, otherwise that TV does all sorts of things to the Just Add Power video signal. Give tech support a call and they can walk you through the changes. Also be sure the Samsung TV has the latest firmware.

The Just Add Power devices work best with Progressive video sources (1080p, 720p, 576p, 480p). The inherent flaws in Interlaced video can get exaggerated when packetized over a LAN. It is just easier to disable Interlaced video on the DTV box vs. messing with the problems introduced by Interlaced video. Even in a stand alone setting (no Just Add Power devices involved), a discriminating viewer with a good TV monitor will find the Progressive 720p/60 output on DTV to be a better viewing experiencing vs. the flickering Interlaced 1080i/30 output. It comes down to whether the customer wants to see a better picture, or a higher number.

I think there is a whole lot more going on with that system than to just bash the JAP system. Call Bob in tech support and go thru the adjustments of the system first....before pointing fingers and posting on RC.

Bob did WONDERS with the system that I am working on. He explained everything and showed me where I was flawed, not the system.

DON'T BE THAT GUY..........................

+1

Ok, a few things.......

1) Zero bashing was going on in my first post. It was simply a report of what I observed with my own eyes on a new product. Um, new to me. In fact, all the typical HDMI problems never showed up. And it seems to be a very promising product.

2) I may have misstated the video, film & soap opera effect. At least in what those types mean to us installers. Let me put it this way: There was a visible difference in the type of video between a hard cable and the JAP system. The JAP produced an effect that made a live broadcast (MNF) look like a broadcast that wasn't live, or film, in my vernacular. It wasn't a bad picture per say, but just seemed odd watching a live broadcast and it looking - not live. Colors were not as rich either, albeit slightly.

3) Nitty Gritty -
- TV is the Sam PN64F8000

- This was an HR44 straight through to the TV. I did mention a second DTV receiver but that was abandoned and the 44 was used only. It was a pretty simple test really, #1) 44>JAP system>HDMI 4 on TV. #2) 44>HDMI cable(50ft)>HDMI 2

- Obvious picture difference observed when switching HDMI cables to the 44 and switching inputs on the TV. The difference was clear enough that someone could have it hooked up one way without my knowledge and I could easily tell which by sight alone.

- *very important* I'm unsure if this TV set has per-input pic settings. I'll have another opportunity tomorrow evening to play with this more.

- Unknown brand of 50ft'er. The HDMI's used to and from the JAP system were the 3ft B6's from Snap AV.

- In the morning I'll be calling tech support. I'll ask for Bob. I'll have time during tomorrow night's college game to work on this more.

- I will report back when more testing can be done. I really need an IP account, don't I? :]