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OT apple has ruind my ipad
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Post 31 made on Wednesday November 19, 2014 at 10:31
Daniel Tonks
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On November 19, 2014 at 01:34, SysIntegration said...
That's like being on a four year old receiver like an Integra 40.1 and complaining that you can't pass 4k or decode atmos.

I think to those affected, it feels a bit more like Integra providing an automatic update to the 40.1 that supposedly passes 4k and decodes Atmos... but does neither in a usable fashion (because it's impossible), causes everything that was once working fine to either break or become barely usable, and, oh, you're not allowed to get the old software back. So if you don't like hobbling, you'd better buy a 40.6 if you want to use your home theater again.

Sure, it's great that Apple provides free updates to older hardware, but clearly there is some hardware that should NOT be updated. It shouldn't even be an option (never mind a pop-up prompting that I'm sure the vast majority of users just click "ok" on).

Apple has total control over both their software and hardware. They know exactly what you're running and exactly how well something will or will not run, because you're using one of only a small number of possible combinations... unlike Microsoft, who (with Windows) has to deal with millions of possible combinations and decades of older hardware that is potentially "compatible".

Knowing that, it's hard to believe that Apple is somehow incapable of determining how poorly an update will run on model X. In fact, it's ludicrous. I guess sometimes planned obsolescence just needs a kick in the pants!

The OTA updates update the OS in such a way as they only modify the things that have changed since the last release. A full restore / update in itunes rewipes the entire firmware and writes it fresh. Which one do you think works more accurately.

"Accurately?" If Apple hasn't figured out reliable delta updates, they should really work on that. With that said, I personally haven't had any problems with my iDevices and live updates.
Post 32 made on Wednesday November 19, 2014 at 11:10
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Complaining that an operating system update makes an older iPad run slower is one thing, to actually have it cause that ipad to have frequent crashes and total freezeups that's another. I have to say I don't think it would've have happened under Steve Jobs.
Post 33 made on Wednesday November 19, 2014 at 12:14
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I never went past 6 because of the problems reported in 7. This was recently posted and it may provide some relief for the pain that is 8.

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Post 34 made on Wednesday November 19, 2014 at 15:32
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The latest iOS update has restored my iPad2 to about 90-95% of its former glory.
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Post 35 made on Wednesday November 19, 2014 at 20:03
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On November 19, 2014 at 09:27, benjh1028 said...
Normally I would not respond to this, but have to be honest, your response is quite douchey. I really don't think any "schooling" was in order.

All I asked was if the iOS could be rolled back. If you read my last post in this tread, I indicated that I had success installing 8.1.1. I didn't need your Apple fanboy diatribe as to why me/we are all so wrong.

In regards to whether I have ever seen a P3 (insert condescending tone), well yes. In fact my first PC was a DOS driven TRS80 with a tape deck. I did not grow up in the "app era".

While I agree with some of your content (as installers we need to be aware of change), I believe your other message is wrong. I understand my 2-yr old iPad is outdated by some standards, but in comparison to a Windows PC, Microsoft always provided minimum and recommended specs in order for their software (presented as a new product, not an "update") to run well. And, while it is my final decision to update or not, Apple should provide the same guidance instead of the blanket mantra "always run the newest".

In regards to you "expecting more of audio video professionals" - that is a shallow, baseless statement. Are you aware that clients will tend to "upgrade" when provided the option, regardless of whether or not they have been warned? And guess who's fault it is when things go awry. What kind of control do we have over client actions? Sure its my job to know what kind of changes these updates will bring, but very few will have enough advance warning to have a planned response before the flood of phone calls. So, if Apple (or others) cannot provide a solution - especially when its as basic as allowing a rollback - we are simply at the mercy of their whims. In the end it really seems that Apple's actions are more geared towards forcing new purchases than proving a better user experience.

As an Apple fanboy, I'm sure you disagree with all that I have said. As you stated, you spend a lot of time on other forums. Maybe you should stick to those where its much more acceptable to condemn people than to offer up solutions to reasonable questions. Have a few cold ones before you respond next time.

This made me laugh. I am not an apple fan boy. What the hell is that. No, I just educate myself on the world. The only thing I care about apple is that they have more and better support for the control systems that we all use. Android has minimal support. So you can put your fan boy comments to rest.

Your ipad two is not two years old. We are 4 generations of ipads later. Maybe you got yours two years ago, which was really dumb paying money for old technology, but that is your own fault.

When I walk into a clients house that has a component video distribution system put in some where around the time that your ipad 2 was purchased, yes, I have the stones to tell them that they need to upgrade. I guess I just don't have the ability to lie and tell someone that they should continue to dump money into old tech. Your ipad is past prime, buddy. When it came out, it was designed for ios 4. We are four generations of firmwares later. Of course it's going to suck. What do you expect?

The point of this whole thing, which you apparently missed, is that premium performance requires premium product. You get what you pay for. I really think you're response was purposely vindictive and harsh.

And just FYI, I'm not some punk kid. I didn't grow up in the app generation. I also didn't stand idly by and let the world pass me by.
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Post 36 made on Wednesday November 19, 2014 at 20:04
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On November 19, 2014 at 11:10, andrewinboulder said...
Complaining that an operating system update makes an older iPad run slower is one thing, to actually have it cause that ipad to have frequent crashes and total freezeups that's another. I have to say I don't think it would've have happened under Steve Jobs.

^^^^

This is what an apple fan boy looks like, FYI, OP.
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Post 37 made on Wednesday November 19, 2014 at 20:06
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On November 19, 2014 at 10:31, Daniel Tonks said...
I think to those affected, it feels a bit more like Integra providing an automatic update to the 40.1 that supposedly passes 4k and decodes Atmos... but does neither in a usable fashion (because it's impossible), causes everything that was once working fine to either break or become barely usable, and, oh, you're not allowed to get the old software back. So if you don't like hobbling, you'd better buy a 40.6 if you want to use your home theater again.

Sure, it's great that Apple provides free updates to older hardware, but clearly there is some hardware that should NOT be updated. It shouldn't even be an option (never mind a pop-up prompting that I'm sure the vast majority of users just click "ok" on).

Apple has total control over both their software and hardware. They know exactly what you're running and exactly how well something will or will not run, because you're using one of only a small number of possible combinations... unlike Microsoft, who (with Windows) has to deal with millions of possible combinations and decades of older hardware that is potentially "compatible".

Knowing that, it's hard to believe that Apple is somehow incapable of determining how poorly an update will run on model X. In fact, it's ludicrous. I guess sometimes planned obsolescence just needs a kick in the pants!

"Accurately?" If Apple hasn't figured out reliable delta updates, they should really work on that. With that said, I personally haven't had any problems with my iDevices and live updates.

I'm glad your personal experience has been that, but you have to understand, I frequent more than just RC forum. Restoring via itunes is the best path for success, not that there are not other paths to semi success.
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Post 38 made on Wednesday November 19, 2014 at 22:59
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On November 19, 2014 at 20:06, SysIntegration said...
I'm glad your personal experience has been that, but you have to understand, I frequent more than just RC forum. Restoring via itunes is the best path for success, not that there are not other paths to semi success.

Well, if Apple devices are that prone to failed/buggy live updates, then really doesn't say much for Apple's programmers. Seriously - reliable delta updates aren't some magical art form that should be expected to fail, especially when you have a totally locked down operating system.

And now that I think more about it, I think I might have actually experienced an issue - ever since IOS 7 on my older iPhone 4S (all done OTA), it is almost wholly incapable of doing a WiFi backup to a PC.

Sure, Microsoft's updates occasionally screw up too, but looking at my Windows 7 PC right now, it's had a whopping 760 updates applied. Pretty sure that iPhone has a way lower number. :-/

Your ipad two is not two years old. We are 4 generations of ipads later. Maybe you got yours two years ago, which was really dumb paying money for old technology, but that is your own fault.

It was released spring 2011, which would make it up to 3.75 years old. However, it was sold by Apple until spring 2014, making some of them out there eight months old, and still within the stock warranty period. It is not unreasonable or extraordinary to expect functional software updates for such a product.
OP | Post 39 made on Thursday November 20, 2014 at 08:09
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The just released 8.1.1 which fixes issues with the ipad 2 and 4s has helped. At Least the text keeps up with key board input now. Page jumps are not glitchy. Wifi is still a little sluggish. The pop up for replace or copy will not stay up so you can select it. But , for the most part it is functioning.
Post 40 made on Thursday November 20, 2014 at 19:48
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On November 20, 2014 at 08:09, thecapnredfish said...
The just released 8.1.1 which fixes issues with the ipad 2 and 4s has helped. At Least the text keeps up with key board input now. Page jumps are not glitchy. Wifi is still a little sluggish. The pop up for replace or copy will not stay up so you can select it. But , for the most part it is functioning.

So far mine no longer locks up when I use the backspace
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Post 41 made on Thursday November 20, 2014 at 20:00
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From my experience with them, whatever version IOS you have running on your device when you buy it, leave it don't upgrade to the next gen IOS. IF you want next gen IOS get a new device.
Post 42 made on Thursday November 20, 2014 at 20:27
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On November 20, 2014 at 20:00, lites4u said...
get a new device.

That's exactly what I did, and got Android. I'm done playing Apple's game
Post 43 made on Thursday November 20, 2014 at 20:28
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On November 20, 2014 at 20:27, goldenzrule said...
That's exactly what I did, and got Android. I'm done playing Apple's game

That's how to do it.
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