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Retro Install Disclaimer / Contract
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| Topic: | Retro Install Disclaimer / Contract This thread has 14 replies. Displaying all posts. |
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| Post 1 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 10:09 |
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Anybody have a good retro install agreement?
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| Post 2 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 10:52 |
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ESI is the closest thing I found info on.
We talked about it few weeks ago.
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| OP | Post 3 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 13:37 |
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On July 1, 2014 at 10:52, Mario said...
ESI is the closest thing I found info on.
We talked about it few weeks ago. ESI? The reason I ask, is we went out to do a condo that was "pre-wired" for speakers all over. No map of course, couldn't contact the guys that did it, and the customer gave us some faulty info on locations... Amazingly, we will only need to have one small drywall patch, but it could have been pretty ugly, especially if we'd sent out a "Jr." installer. Just want to put together an agreement that lets the client know the risks of searching for and cutting in speakers without any documentation or drawings. It was a bitch locating the speakers with my toner, because the place used cheap light dimmers in each room, and they give off a lot of noise... was almost impossible to hear my toner through all of that. Thankfully, though things turned out very well!
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| Post 4 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 13:44 |
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On July 1, 2014 at 13:37, Mr. Stanley said...
ESI?
The reason I ask, is we went out to do a condo that was "pre-wired" for speakers all over. No map of course, couldn't contact the guys that did it, and the customer gave us some faulty info on locations... Maybe hes referring to http://www.esiorg.com ? "the customer gave us some fault info". Never touch anything like that without performing "discovery". Send our 2 or more technicians with toners testers cameras etc so that they can figure out what is really there and where wires really start and stop and whether or not there are nails through all of them somewhere in between. Charge for the discovery phase and provide the clients with a copy of the documents you generated. Now you and the client know whats really going on. Client doesn't want to pay for discovery? Shake hands and say good bye. You will end up working for free...never get it "finished" and have an unhappy client telling everyone how terrible you are. Amazingly, we will only need to have one small drywall patch, but it could have been pretty ugly, especially if we'd sent out a "Jr." installer. Even after discovery we warn clients that there may be patching and painting involved. You just never know (if you will need to pull new cable) sometimes until you get everything installed. Just want to put together an agreement that lets the client know the risks of searching for and cutting in speakers without any documentation or drawings. It was a bitch locating the speakers with my toner, because the place used cheap light dimmers in each room, and they give off a lot of noise... was almost impossible to hear my toner through all of that.
Thankfully, though things turned out very well! At least you figured it out. Can you imagine what would happen if you would have drilled into a water pipe? :)
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| Post 5 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 15:12 |
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On July 1, 2014 at 13:37, Mr. Stanley said...
ESI?
The reason I ask, is we went out to do a condo that was "pre-wired" for speakers all over. No map of course, couldn't contact the guys that did it, and the customer gave us some faulty info on locations...
Amazingly, we will only need to have one small drywall patch, but it could have been pretty ugly, especially if we'd sent out a "Jr." installer.
Just want to put together an agreement that lets the client know the risks of searching for and cutting in speakers without any documentation or drawings. It was a bitch locating the speakers with my toner, because the place used cheap light dimmers in each room, and they give off a lot of noise... was almost impossible to hear my toner through all of that.
Thankfully, though things turned out very well! You don't ground one lead of the tone generator? Even if the wires are hidden, grounding one end makes it sing like a canary.
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| Post 6 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 17:15 |
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On July 1, 2014 at 15:12, highfigh said...
You don't ground one lead of the tone generator? Even if the wires are hidden, grounding one end makes it sing like a canary. I have tried this but dont have much luck - what do you ground the lead to that consistently works?
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| Post 7 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 17:26 |
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On July 1, 2014 at 17:15, FunHouse Texas said...
I have tried this but dont have much luck - what do you ground the lead to that consistently works? You can connect it to a screw on an outlet or light switch that is grounded. Another option is if you have a partner, only connect one toner lead to wire and have him hold the other toner lead with skin directly on alligator clip. Don't know why it works but it does. Either of these will expand the tone signal from a faint 6" circle to 18-24" through drywall around the wire.
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| Post 8 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 17:33 |
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On July 1, 2014 at 17:26, ErikS said...
You can connect it to a screw on an outlet or light switch that is grounded. Another option is if you have a partner, only connect one toner lead to wire and have him hold the other toner lead with skin directly on alligator clip. Don't know why it works but it does. Either of these will expand the tone signal from a faint 6" circle to 18-24" through drywall around the wire. Works like a charm.
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| Post 9 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 18:23 |
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What toner are you guys using? I've tried a couple and wasn't thrilled with the performance of either...
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| OP | Post 10 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 19:17 |
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On July 1, 2014 at 17:26, ErikS said...
You can connect it to a screw on an outlet or light switch that is grounded. Another option is if you have a partner, only connect one toner lead to wire and have him hold the other toner lead with skin directly on alligator clip. Don't know why it works but it does. Either of these will expand the tone signal from a faint 6" circle to 18-24" through drywall around the wire. I connected the alligator clip to my partners scrotum. He just yelled a lot.
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| Post 11 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 20:15 |
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On July 1, 2014 at 19:17, Mr. Stanley said...
I connected the alligator clip to my partners scrotum. He just yelled a lot. But you sure enjoyed it. :)
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| Post 12 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 20:19 |
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I've done probably a half dozen projects with speakers buried and no map. I connect one lead of the toner to ground. You have to be careful and pay attention, because the toner WILL tone everywhere. You can be standing in the middle of the room and it will tone. When you check the ceiling/wall, the light typically only lights up when you are on top of the actual wire though. Haven't had to patch a single hole yet.
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| OP | Post 13 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 20:21 |
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On July 1, 2014 at 20:19, goldenzrule said...
I've done probably a half dozen projects with speakers buried and no map. I connect one lead of the toner to ground. You have to be careful and pay attention, because the toner WILL tone everywhere. You can be standing in the middle of the room and it will tone. When you check the ceiling/wall, the light typically only lights up when you are on top of the actual wire though. Haven't had to patch a single hole yet. The light?
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"If it keeps up, man will atrophy all his limbs but the push-button finger."
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| Post 14 made on Tuesday July 1, 2014 at 20:29 |
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On July 1, 2014 at 20:21, Mr. Stanley said...
The light? Say what?
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| Post 15 made on Wednesday July 2, 2014 at 05:38 |
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On July 1, 2014 at 17:26, ErikS said...
Don't know why it works but it does. If you want to know why it works I can start working on the dissertation or just buy me (several) cokes in Denver.
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