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Builder Wired House wrong, need ideas for TV soundbar location
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Post 16 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 00:55
Ernie Gilman
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On May 28, 2014 at 18:48, ceied said...
Builders mess. I'd open the walls put the wires I need. Then put the equipment I want in

Next time maybe the stupid builder will do it right

No solution to this will affect the builder unless the homeowner has some kind of written statement from the builder to the effect that the home is surround-ready; then a lawsuit might make him regret this. But us coming in later? They're gone. They can't be bothered, in any meaning of the word.

I think the Sonos idea is right. I helped finish off a system a buddy designed in a 30s house in LA. Playbar under the TV, sub off to the left on the other side of a doorway, installation of the surrounds was plugging them into power in niches in the rear of the room. These particular steps plus setting up the Sonos took an hour, mostly for linking the Sonos parts to the network.
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Post 17 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 01:31
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On May 28, 2014 at 23:10, internetraver said...
Steer clear of those Snap 3 channel amps, the output is very underwhelming.

Bull $hi7 they are perfect for what they are designed for. Pair it with a nice soundbar & subwoofer & it sounds great for what it's designed for.
Knowing that Gold went up a few K makes me think "well now I have to do a better job on selling more equipment".

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Post 18 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 01:51
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On May 28, 2014 at 18:48, ceied said...
Builders mess. I'd open the walls put the wires I need. Then put the equipment I want in

Next time maybe the stupid builder will do it right

+1

I have to ask this question...

Who is paying for the research and development of this science experiment? At the end of the project im guessing you will easily double or triple what it will cost to patch holes in drywall and repaint.
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Post 19 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 01:53
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On May 28, 2014 at 20:02, ichbinbose said...
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Drywall is cheap and easy to fix. This is not youre mistake and if the client really wants that James soundbar then someone needs to pay to get this fixed, otherwise you start cobbling together some weird science project that when it has issues everyone will point fingers at you.
Btw you should speak to the builder about hiring you to do his prewires as it is obviously more difficult than he realizes and is above his pay grade.

I have a client that is getting ready to open up his brand new basement ceiling because he changed his mind about the tv location.
Not my problem, but I am going to do what it takes, to do it right.

I should have kept reading the thread. It could have saved me the trouble of posting the same thing.

The only way the science experiment ends up costing less than drywall repair is if the integrator works for free cobbling it together.
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Post 20 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 02:17
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On May 29, 2014 at 01:31, BrettLee3232 said...
Bull $hi7 they are perfect for what they are designed for. Pair it with a nice soundbar & subwoofer & it sounds great for what it's designed for.

I guess it depends on your expectations.
It does do great for what it was designed for. But what this tiny under powered box was designed for, is to run some cheap passive sound bars. He's trying to install a James loudspeaker sound bar $$$.

Lets go buy a Ferrari and get some tires from Walmart...
Post 21 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 09:19
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Who gave them the idea of a custom soundbar in the first place?
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Post 22 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 12:13
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On May 29, 2014 at 02:17, Brad Humphrey said...
I guess it depends on your expectations.
It does do great for what it was designed for. But what this tiny under powered box was designed for, is to run some cheap passive sound bars. He's trying to install a James loudspeaker sound bar $$$.

Lets go buy a Ferrari and get some tires from Walmart...

When did $1000 soundbars become cheap? I must be in the wrong market...it's no Ferrari but defiantly a nice Lexus with some good tires from Discount Tire Center lol
Knowing that Gold went up a few K makes me think "well now I have to do a better job on selling more equipment".

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Post 23 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 12:23
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On May 29, 2014 at 02:17, Brad Humphrey said...
I guess it depends on your expectations.
It does do great for what it was designed for. But what this tiny under powered box was designed for, is to run some cheap passive sound bars. He's trying to install a James loudspeaker sound bar $$$.

Lets go buy a Ferrari and get some tires from Walmart...

I'm curious, have you used that amp? I have not, so I have no experience with it.
Post 24 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 17:09
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I demo'd it. Used it for several hours on a couple of different speakers (Some Wharfedale, Triad, and Snap's own).
It is a great problem solver. With it's size & features, there's not a whole lot else like it on the market.
Sound quality is what you would expect - it is a small box, that is cheap. Does anyone in this industry actually think anything more would come out of a box this size and at this price point.
It is thin sounding and runs out of juice early when cranking to a loud level - again, nothing unexpected. Would work fine on many different speakers out there, just would never pair it with speakers considered high-end.

Also, I was disappointed that the 3rd (center) channel can't actually be used as a 'center' channel from a surround system. The 3rd (center) output is a mix of the left & right channels, no other way to use it. That makes the 3 channel version of this useless IMO - expect for maybe the mono mode to drive 3 outputs the same for some reason.
 
Post 25 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 19:52
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I had 2 of the small amps with Snap soundbars spec'd for an existing job.  After hearing the first one I decided not to install the second one.  It would have been a decrease in sound quality from the Sony TV speakers the client was used to hearing!

I sure as hell wouldn't use it on a James speaker.
Post 26 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 20:12
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Did you guys run them with a sub to fill in the low frequencies? Really interesting. I only read favorable reviews of them until know.
Post 27 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 20:22
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On May 28, 2014 at 22:37, Bonavox said...
he just had a beer.... or two

OK OK OK... I had FOUR!


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Post 28 made on Thursday May 29, 2014 at 20:28
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It's not about missing frequency,  it's about actual output.

I'm not a fan of speakercraft amps but at least their 35WPC amps have some sort of output.  These things sound more like about 6 watts.

My Boston 3 1/2" alarm clock from 10 years ago has more output, seriously

Most of our zones hover around 25 - 35% volume for "comfortable" listening levels with plenty of headroom to rock.  This zone had to be at 100% to even get comfortable volume.
 
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