No it's not a non sequitur. Fairness has been part of the reason for the pay increase it's just not fair that they can't...

So it happens over time everyone still going to have to be given a raise to compensate. The people that have been there 5 years and are now making 15 an hour will they be happy without the same raises over time? This just goes up the chain.

The impact will be higher than the 3% because this doesn't just impact the people making minimum wage.

(6*40)*52

Roughly every $5 per hour is $10,000

I didg concede anything. You are a liar trying to twist words

Well look at it this way if you are a small businessperson...

WOuld you choose to open shop in a crappy, poor neighborhood, where people are on food stamps and not making it paycheck to paycheck --- or would you open shop in an area where people have a little $$$ to buy your crap once in a while?

This is how I am thinking about this whole deal --- and I was opposed at first.

I deal daily with people bringing in speakers that should literally be thrown in the trash - but they insist on re-foaming or reconing their speakers because they cannot afford new ones.

If these people made a few more bucks, that might change.

Please explain.

(OT Vent: the misuse of ellipses on this forum are offensive and I'm going to start complaining to the Authorities. All these sentences with 'dot dot dot' on the end, leaving me to believe there's more to say when I'm not sure what there is to be said. Further notes on the proper use of the ellipsis here. Vent Off)


How much higher?
 

Seems to me that if there is a legal minimum wage then there should be a legal maximum wage.

Why? 

When has raising the minimum wage ever gotten rid of the poor class?

That's my point. The minimum wage currently is ridiculously low and has been for decades.

What is minimum wage in your neck of the woods?

If lets say it's around 7.50 an hour / $1200. a month and after taxes and crap, you are looking at $960 take-home then you are basically screwed.


If it were lets say $15 hr = $2400 gross with approx take home of $1900 after taxes etc. do you think that might be of help?

What is your reasoning against increasing the minimum wage?

What's yor point? That you failed to understand my question? Raising the minimum wage won't make the poor magically disappear. Because everything ends up balancing out, and it is still the lowest income level. Do you think people that started at $10 and have worked their way up to $15 or $16 an hour will be content to now be at the minimum wage? Or are they going to expect/demand comparable raises too?

That makes no sense. Going from 7.25$ to an actual living wage WILL help, many.
Could you live on $7.25 an hour?


Do you think people that started at $10 and have worked their way up to $15 or $16 an hour will be content to now be at the minimum wage?
Or are they going to expect/demand comparable raises too?


Oh Im sure they will, but, again this isnt going to happen overnight-it'll be on a gradual level. And I'm sure that if the politics in your area are in sync with your views, iot ain't gonna happen where you live.

Its a fact that you cannot live in any of our states and rent a 2 bedroom aprtment on minimum wage.

That's pretty sad!

The GOP is selling it as such.

You act like the minimum wage has always been where it is. In the past when it was raised, did the raise ever end poverty for a while? No. It was still the bottom level. And other workers quickly demanded raises too. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

How and why should anyone working 1 minimum wage job be able to afford that? The problem isn't what the minimum wage rate should be but rather what 'minimum' wage is meant for (and different people have different thoughts on that which causes the majority of the rifts).

With regard to rent if some wants a semi decent one bedroom apartment versus a shared housing arrangement or one of the micro studio apartments available in the centralized city core (ie capital hill) who draws the line on what someone is 'entitled' to? Conversely someone who chooses to shop at whole foods versus the dollar store. Should someone on minimum wage be entitled to cable TV and broad band internet at their home? These are the bigger questions that need to be answered to actually try and solve the problem.

Minimum wage should be the lowest rate someone is willing to legally perform a specific task (the capitalistic model in simple terms); and in turn should cover the absolute essentials to get by; its do-able here in Seattle at about $10/hour for a single person. This assumes the minimum wage earner does not take advantage of any of the governmental/social programs available to them.

The additional government subsidies which would be available to that person total the equivalent of about an additional $34k/year (or more) but are not discussed openly, nor are tips, benefits, and other perks that might be available through the employer.

With that all said, my opinion is that they should continue to slowly increase the minimum wage, I thing the plan put forth is decent enough (way better then the $15 now option), but going from 9.50/hour to 15 even over 3 years is going to cause problems...5 years is probably the right time line at $1/year, or allowing certain tiers of business such as restaurant/hospitality to be able to have a lower minimum since most staff make a significant or majority of their income through tips anyways.

I have many friends in the service industry and most make over $20/hour when factoring in tips right now. They don't need the increase...but just like for everyone here, an extra 10k a year would be nice...I could finally get myself a boat ;)