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Post 1 made on Friday April 4, 2014 at 13:06
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Are any of you guys familiar with current audio speakers?
I'm looking at using the fit series on a project.
I want the angle adjustments of the fit but I don't remember ever hearing them so I have nothing to base what they sound like on.
This is for your basic run of the mill living room home theater.
I want something that is a step up from let's say TruAudio revolve and will be paired with a Marantz receiver.

Any thoughts or comments?
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Post 2 made on Friday April 4, 2014 at 13:11
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Yeah. Theory is a lot more strict than reality.

Once, at band camp... sorry, wrong thread. Once, a system was designed to use the motorized Kef loudspeakers. The house was a well-built 1930s model; this was the first floor of two. When we opened the ceiling, we found the structural wood was much too crowded for anything but run of the mill Sonance inwalls, so we apologetically put them up.

Despite the fact that the speakers were at about sixty degrees to the listening area, they sounded GREAT. It's really hard to just "try out" something like that, but if there's any way you can, you'll probably be relieved to hear taht they sound just fine.
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Post 3 made on Friday April 4, 2014 at 17:32
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On April 4, 2014 at 13:06, WhiteVan Lifestyle said...
Are any of you guys familiar with current audio speakers?
I'm looking at using the fit series on a project.
I want the angle adjustments of the fit but I don't remember ever hearing them so I have nothing to base what they sound like on.
This is for your basic run of the mill living room home theater.
I want something that is a step up from let's say TruAudio revolve and will be paired with a Marantz receiver.

Any thoughts or comments?

Which model(s)? I have used the Fit650, 651 and another model that I don't remember and they sound good.

What's the budget? I don't spec polycarbonate dome tweeters unless I have already heard them and they pass, but the textile domes are good. I also like their warranty with pre-emptive replacement, so two trips aren't needed. Haven't needed to replace any and I started using them in '09.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
OP | Post 4 made on Saturday April 5, 2014 at 13:38
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The model I'm considering is
Current Audio FIT654FL [Link: currentaudio.com]

I'm looking for something to pair with a Marantz Receiver that will have the ability to match up for warm full sounding music and impactful theater given the parameters.
Again your basic in-ceiling living room system but stepping it up a half of a notch.
I'm shopping blind when it comes to these speakers so every opinion matters.

Thank you Highfigh
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Post 5 made on Saturday April 5, 2014 at 13:43
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Back around 1980 I worked for Marantz, in Loudspeaker Engineering, when they had a real engineer there and proper test equipment for evaluation.

I learned there that cloth dome tweeters can only play so loud. It was crazy to record response curves at several volumes and see the tweeter output settle down to one particular volume level though the woofer volume was going up.

This was in the 80+ dB range, but well within levels you might occasionally play at home. I've not been in favor of cloth domes since.
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OP | Post 6 made on Saturday April 5, 2014 at 13:49
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That's interesting Ernie.

These are diffraction-less ceramic coated aluminum dome pivoting Ferrofluid cooled tweeter.
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Post 7 made on Saturday April 5, 2014 at 13:51
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On April 5, 2014 at 13:38, WhiteVan Lifestyle said...
The model I'm considering is
Current Audio FIT654FL [Link: currentaudio.com]

I'm looking for something to pair with a Marantz Receiver that will have the ability to match up for warm full sounding music and impactful theater given the parameters.
Again your basic in-ceiling living room system but stepping it up a half of a notch.
I'm shopping blind when it comes to these speakers so every opinion matters.

Thank you Highfigh

I didn't use that model, but as I wrote, I prefer textile dome tweeters and a slightly muted high end from behind. The rears shouldn't be doing >20K for rear fill, anyway- reverberant sound has naturally attenuated highs. For DA response, if they'll be used for that too, you might drop the level one notch and if it works, great. I suspect they'll warm up a bit over time, too.

When I first heard their speakers, the demo was in less than optimum conditions, but they still sounded good enough that I gave them a shot and I don't regret it. I paired them with Artison Maestro fronts and they blend well.

I don't rely on ceiling speakers to do great for bass, but these were decent. This is the compromise people need to accept unless they want to spend a lot on rear speakers or bite the bullet and use the same speakers throughout, so the voicing is more even.

Are you using all in-ceiling, or stand-alone speakers for the front?
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Post 8 made on Saturday April 5, 2014 at 14:03
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On April 5, 2014 at 13:43, Ernie Gilman said...
Back around 1980 I worked for Marantz, in Loudspeaker Engineering, when they had a real engineer there and proper test equipment for evaluation.

I learned there that cloth dome tweeters can only play so loud. It was crazy to record response curves at several volumes and see the tweeter output settle down to one particular volume level though the woofer volume was going up.

This was in the 80+ dB range, but well within levels you might occasionally play at home. I've not been in favor of cloth domes since.

If this was ~1980, you were working with Phillips, Peerless and maybe Vifa tweeters? The Phillips AD-140, AD-160/162 or Peerless LK-10DT or KO/TO-10DT tweeters (The KO-10 had a removable cover, to make diaphragm replacement easier)? I don't remember the Vifa models that had begun to show up, but these were probably the most common and they were decent, for the time, but until they started to use ferro-fluid, they didn't dissipate the heat well enough to avoid thermal compression. The Phillips AD-0163 DID use this and were able to do high SPL a lot better than the polycarbonate or textile domes without ferro-fluid. I have a pair of Jamo J-101 speakers with these and they never had any problems keeping up with what I played through them.

80+ db and you were running into thermal compression? I would expect that well into the 90dB range, especially if the crossover didn't cause too much insertion loss- the Phillips tweeters' sensitivity was pretty high. The Peerless, if it was the rectangular one seen in Polk and other speakers, wasn't so sensitive and was a bit too "polite" for some kinds of music.

Were you there when Marantz was making the Gold series, with the movable foam plug for the vent and/'or weights that screwed into the woofer's dust cap, to change the Q?
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OP | Post 9 made on Saturday April 5, 2014 at 15:55
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They will all be in ceiling. Fronts and rears will be the same. 5.1
Sub is a velodyne 12"
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