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Post 31 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 09:13
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On March 24, 2014 at 22:13, highfigh said...
I haven't heard a lot of good reasons for pot to be used. I read a lot of people saying "it's not as bad as...." and "I know people who do well AND use pot"- I think we all do, but that's not a reason to use it.

Other than the substance abused and their medical problems, there's really not much difference between a hard core drunk and a hard core pot smoker. The pot smoker may not puke all over the place, may not pass out and they certainly don't act like a sloppy drunk, but their thinking and perception are very distorted.

Screw it- it's like talking to a wall.

Plenty of good reasons presented here, you do not want to hear them. Talking to a wall goes both ways.... If you believe the war on drugs is working you should move your tonsils out of the way to get a clearer view of reality.

A burnout is a burnout, they will find whatever drug they can. Keeping marijuana illegal is not going to fix this. How many years of evidence is there to confirm this?
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Post 32 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 09:34
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On March 25, 2014 at 09:13, roddymcg said...
Plenty of good reasons presented here, you do not want to hear them. Talking to a wall goes both ways.... If you believe the war on drugs is working you should move your tonsils out of the way to get a clearer view of reality.

A burnout is a burnout, they will find whatever drug they can. Keeping marijuana illegal is not going to fix this. How many years of evidence is there to confirm this?

I should have included 'uses other than medicinal or industrial hemp...".

The problem with the drug war is that it's like telling a fire to not burn- it doesn't work.
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Post 33 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 10:08
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So alcohol gets a general thumbs down in comparison to pot.

Cigarettes are bad by most folks' estimation.

Pot is fine, though? What about your lungs? Is it a much healthier smoke?
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Post 34 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 12:27
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Another red herring.

Most cig smokers smoke a min of a pack a day. Most cannabis smokers smoke far, far less (but yes there are exceptions). Certainly there is probably more tar in one hit of cannabis vs. one drag from a cig. But count the drags on a cigarettes, then multiply by 20 cigs a day and you will quickly realize that this is not an argument. And while the cannabis may lose the tar comparison in one hit vs one puff of a cig, what other chems are in those cigarettes that are also doing a lot of damage?

And then there is this little thing called a vaporizer. But they are arguably only used by less than 1%
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Post 35 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 12:36
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Just wondered. Thanks for setting me straight.
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OP | Post 36 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 13:42
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On March 25, 2014 at 10:08, tomciara said...
So alcohol gets a general thumbs down in comparison to pot.

Cigarettes are bad by most folks' estimation.

Pot is fine, though? What about your lungs? Is it a much healthier smoke?

Actually most of the pot is consumed via food products. As far as smoking, most of the people use those vaporisor things which dont put smoke in your lungs... just the THC.

I'm sure smoking it the traditional way is still healthier due to no chemicals like tobacco.

Go online, there is even pot peanut butter, butter, icecream, coffee - hell you name it.

My friend who has a painful broken back gave up painkillers, and uses a pot "balm" on his back which seems to help him a lot and he doesnt get a buzz from it.

My neighbors wife (she is 30) is nearly blind, at it helps her sight.
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Post 37 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 15:59
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Wow, I would never imagined so many of you guys are against people having the freedom to make personal choices in their lives.
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Post 38 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 18:54
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On March 25, 2014 at 12:27, FP Crazy said...
Another red herring.

Most cig smokers smoke a min of a pack a day. Most cannabis smokers smoke far, far less (but yes there are exceptions). Certainly there is probably more tar in one hit of cannabis vs. one drag from a cig. But count the drags on a cigarettes, then multiply by 20 cigs a day and you will quickly realize that this is not an argument. And while the cannabis may lose the tar comparison in one hit vs one puff of a cig, what other chems are in those cigarettes that are also doing a lot of damage?

And then there is this little thing called a vaporizer. But they are arguably only used by less than 1%

Any idea of how much a cigarette filter removes? It would be interesting to see the smoke density and compounds with/without the filter. Then, there's the matter of the two using completely different plants.
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Post 39 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 19:06
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On March 25, 2014 at 15:59, Archibald "Harry" Tuttle said...
Wow, I would never imagined so many of you guys are against people having the freedom to make personal choices in their lives.

Having been stoned enough that I wasn't paying attention to the road, this is one of the things that concerns me- the pot that's available now is a lot more potent and, while it's up to the user to monitor their condition. expecting one result and getting another can be a problem.

As far as being against that freedom, we have laws regarding driving while drunk and some people just won't stop. WI has a huge problem with this because the lawmakers are spineless and can't bring themselves to make this into a more severe offense. We have had recent crashes and pull overs where the driver had 7-10 DUI convictions.

From the kink, "After eight years of campaigning, a new Wisconsin DUI law finally took effect, making fifth-offense drunken driving a felony."

That ought to sting.

[Link: totaldui.com]

I don't expect pot smokers to do this, but I am concerned about how this will play out. WRT being a freedom, I'm less in favor of people doing things that injure and kill people whose only involvement is being in the vicinity of the wasted driver.
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Post 40 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 20:01
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On March 25, 2014 at 19:06, highfigh said...
Having been stoned enough that I wasn't paying attention to the road, this is one of the things that concerns me- the pot that's available now is a lot more potent and, while it's up to the user to monitor their condition. expecting one result and getting another can be a problem.

As far as being against that freedom, we have laws regarding driving while drunk and some people just won't stop. WI has a huge problem with this because the lawmakers are spineless and can't bring themselves to make this into a more severe offense. We have had recent crashes and pull overs where the driver had 7-10 DUI convictions.

From the kink, "After eight years of campaigning, a new Wisconsin DUI law finally took effect, making fifth-offense drunken driving a felony."

That ought to sting.

[Link: totaldui.com]

I don't expect pot smokers to do this, but I am concerned about how this will play out. WRT being a freedom, I'm less in favor of people doing things that injure and kill people whose only involvement is being in the vicinity of the wasted driver.

Comparing weed to alcohol is quite a stretch of the imagination.

Here in Texass, most of our DUI offenders come from south of the border(Mexico mostly)... the county where I currently stay leads the USA in drunk driver deaths.
Alcohol and indigenous indian blood don't mix to well, makes them even dumber.
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OP | Post 41 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 20:17
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On March 25, 2014 at 18:54, highfigh said...
Any idea of how much a cigarette filter removes? It would be interesting to see the smoke density and compounds with/without the filter. Then, there's the matter of the two using completely different plants.

Which brings up all the tars, nicotine, and chemicals and crap with cigarettes.
"If it keeps up, man will atrophy all his limbs but the push-button finger."
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Post 42 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 20:30
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On March 25, 2014 at 20:01, Archibald "Harry" Tuttle said...
Comparing weed to alcohol is quite a stretch of the imagination.

Here in Texass, most of our DUI offenders come from south of the border(Mexico mostly)... the county where I currently stay leads the USA in drunk driver deaths.
Alcohol and indigenous indian blood don't mix to well, makes them even dumber.

A lot of the DUIs and murders here are by illegals, too.
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OP | Post 43 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 21:49
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Ironically since pot is mostly legal here, a lot of pople have backed off because:
1. It's no longer taboo or risky
2. Its just too damn potent and can render you a real vegetable.
"If it keeps up, man will atrophy all his limbs but the push-button finger."
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Post 44 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 22:06
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On March 25, 2014 at 18:54, highfigh said...
Any idea of how much a cigarette filter removes? It would be interesting to see the smoke density and compounds with/without the filter. Then, there's the matter of the two using completely different plants.

Again, I'm not disputing that Cannabis doesn't have more tar per puff than a cig, but it's simple math dammit. Virtually no one takes 400+ tokes of weed a day, but that is the average inhale count of a cig smoker.

This argument reminds me of the part in Quest for the Holy grail where they are debating if the bird could fly far enough from the tropics to bring coconuts to GB. it's not a matter if the bird can fly that far, it's a simple matter of physics of the coconuts weighing more than the bird.

You shouldn't have to take off your shoes to do this math HighFigh. Really.

Last edited by FP Crazy on March 25, 2014 22:25.
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Post 45 made on Tuesday March 25, 2014 at 22:20
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On March 25, 2014 at 15:59, Archibald "Harry" Tuttle said...
Wow, I would never imagined so many of you guys are against people having the freedom to make personal choices in their lives.

Ha! That's like saying, well you can F$$k a donkey in the personal confines of your home because it's your personal decision and it doesn't affect anyone. The world is full of morons and f-ing losers and that's why we have to set rules and laws. It's also a reason religion is extremely important. When you lose those moral compasses, we will lose our society. But that's a whole different argument and as I mentioned a million times on here, I'm a non-practicing Catholic...

It will be interesting to see how big business gets their grubby hands on this industry if THC becomes legal. It will certainly be a big opportunity for a lot of people! The one thing I'm sure of is the people who believe this will reduce drug cartel's and the seedy underbelly of our society is just wrong. Those losers will just find something else to push and the people looking to do something illegal will find another drug to take because it's "wrong."
"Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!"
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