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Thoughts on NAD?
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Post 1 made on Friday March 7, 2014 at 17:30
3PedalMINI
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Ive never really given them much thought, Looks like they have some really nice stuff. I know the early models with HDMI had almost a 100% failure rate.

Any NAD dealers on here use these as their mid level AVRs?

Dont get me wrong, i still love marantz and im not looking at jumping ship any time soon but these look great!
The Bitterness of Poor Quality is Remembered Long after the Sweetness of Price is Forgotten! - Benjamin Franklin
Post 2 made on Friday March 7, 2014 at 17:35
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I did a handful of them in the past and had all sorts or problems. Afraid to touch them given the glitches in I've seen in Denon and Marantz, which I'm inclined to think are more reliable.
Post 3 made on Friday March 7, 2014 at 17:52
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[Link: integrationpros.org]

I picked up Audio Control to add to Marantz ..........check them out
Post 4 made on Friday March 7, 2014 at 18:40
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You two need to got to cedia again.
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Post 5 made on Friday March 7, 2014 at 19:19
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On March 7, 2014 at 18:40, longshot16 said...
You two need to got to cedia again.

LOL....
Post 6 made on Saturday March 8, 2014 at 14:47
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We sell a lot of NAD, along with Yamaha. They are our two entry/mid-level brands.

You don't get all the bells and whistles that you get with the big name brands, but they sound a hell of a lot better.

Build quality is excellent, tech support is great, & MDC (modular design concept) is a great selling tool. Remote commands are a breeze.

They did have some problems awhile back, but they resolved them and more importantly stood behind us as dealers. Unlike some other companies we know longer sell.

Only issue we ever have with them is they don't like really long HDMI runs, so we just use baluns.

They also make some killer amps & integrated amps for the money.
Matt Brotzge
Post 7 made on Saturday March 8, 2014 at 16:35
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We're picking them up, too.
Post 8 made on Saturday March 8, 2014 at 21:12
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Been doin NAD for a while. Good solid product. The separates are nice as well.

no fancy network stuff or dozens of surround modes. Just solid amps and whats necessary to run a room.

THe zone 2 on the 748 sucks in case you are inclined to sue it btw....
Post 9 made on Saturday March 8, 2014 at 21:31
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Back in the day we knew NAD as Nearly Always Defective. That was mid 90s.
I came into this game for the action, the excitement. Go anywhere, travel light, get in, get out, wherever there's AV trouble, a man alone.
Post 10 made on Saturday March 8, 2014 at 22:08
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Post 11 made on Saturday March 8, 2014 at 22:09
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On March 8, 2014 at 21:31, Archibald "Harry" Tuttle said...
Back in the day we knew NAD as Nearly Always Defective. That was mid 90s.

I continue to hear about issues and failures, hence my reasoning from staying far far away.
Post 12 made on Saturday March 8, 2014 at 22:22
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All the manufactures have problems and defects of some variety or another. No one really has it 100%.

I am not crazy about NAD. I hear it sold to customers because of it's speaker power rating vs other manufactures. Of course, that's about as important as contrast ratio. It's not like everyone is using the same scale.

The modular card concept seems cool, but I have not once seen it used or need to be used. You should be changing out your receiver every 5 years anyway, not swapping cards for the next (broken) version of HDMI.

Zone 2 is a nightmare. The menu is worse than Yamaha Adventage series. The remotes are playfully silly and feel cheap. And they don't have the same number of analog and digital input. This means if you do use the zone 2, you might have 7 zone 1 sources, and only 4 analog jacks for zone 2. And two of the inputs are dedicated for media player and ipod. Silly.

It still takes a iTach rs232 to IP piece to use the NAD app. What a joke. 2014 and no network jack, but you build an iphone app? Get real. I'm not crazy about them on the whole. They feel lightweight and inexpensive like the Marantz receivers. If I am going to spend $1000 on a receiver, I'd like it to weigh more than 30 pounds.

Of Course, these are just my personal opinions and are not reflective of my company or associations. We all have our preferences. I am not slamming NAD, only saying that I have yet to be impressed.

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Post 13 made on Sunday March 9, 2014 at 20:21
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On March 8, 2014 at 22:22, SysIntegration said...
All the manufactures have problems and defects of some variety or another. No one really has it 100%.

It still takes a iTach rs232 to IP piece to use the NAD app. What a joke. 2014 and no network jack, but you build an iphone app? Get real. I'm not crazy about them on the whole. They feel lightweight and inexpensive like the Marantz receivers. If I am going to spend $1000 on a receiver, I'd like it to weigh more than 30 pounds.

There are many NAD models with built in ethernet jacks
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Post 14 made on Sunday March 9, 2014 at 23:37
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On March 9, 2014 at 20:21, BlackWire Designs said...
There are many NAD models with built in ethernet jacks

I saw their booth at CES. And I work with this product every day.

I have to jump to the t777 or 778 at ~$3k just to get a network jack?

RI-DIC-U-LOUS.

The t758 (current) at a $1k still doesn't have it. It's not like rj-45 is THE selling point for me. I just expect way way more out of $1k receiver. This isn't the early '00 where there were limited choices in sub $1000 models.

Am I missing something here? It's not like we are talking about a high end brand.
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Post 15 made on Monday March 10, 2014 at 00:17
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I disagree and think the OSD is super easy to use and I like that the remote is simple and not confusing to use like a lot of other remotes. Only thing that takes getting used to when you first set one up is sometimes the right navigation button is used instead of enter.

We also use control systems in 95% of our jobs so in all honesty I could really don't care less about the factory remote.

They are also being honest about there power ratings. Just cuz a bunch of the companies we deal with are lying does that mean we are supposed to say screw it they are all full of crap.

I also don't think that zone 2 is a nightmare. I guess if you felt the need to send a bunch of sources to Z2 this would be an issue. I only have ever had one customer who his was an issue with. Customer had tape deck, turntable, cd, iPod, etc.. Had like 9 sources. He was one of those guys that wanted to make everything play everywhere. We talked him into not sending one source to Z2 and he was cool with it.

I don't know what everyone else is using for Z2, but we only usually have a some sort of audio streamer (Sonos, Apple TV, etc..) and maybe a cable box. Every once in awhile a CD player or some other random source. I like keeping my systems simple. Just cause three different devices can play Pandora doesn't mean I need to make all of them do it. I take the source that does it best and let it handle it. For example, Sonos is usually enough for Z2.

The one thing I will say is a wish some of their lower priced models had more HDMI inputs.

I could also care less about the app. I can't remember the last time I sold a customer a receiver and had them use the app. As I stated before we almost always sell a control system, so there is really no need for an app based on our designs.

I am not trying to say that NAD is the best thing since sliced bread. What I am saying is it sounds good and it meets our design needs and our customers like them. About two years ago we had 7 receiver lines. Everyone in the company new we were to small to support that many lines so we narrowed it down to the best two (Yamaha being the other one) and dropped 4 of the other 5. Some of the companies made it pretty easy based on there reliability and lack of customer service.

It took me a little time to get used to the NAD, but once I got the hang of them it was cake. Yamaha was the same way, menu was a little strange at first. Then I started using the scenes. We never ever had HDMI issues. And then we realized that they were pretty much bulletproof. Now I can navigate the OSD of either of those brands in my sleep.

At the end of the day it really comes down to what the needs of your clients and company are.

Just my two cents...
Matt Brotzge
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