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Clean way to manage 16 Zones of audio wire
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Topic: | Clean way to manage 16 Zones of audio wire This thread has 28 replies. Displaying posts 1 through 15. |
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Post 1 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 13:27 |
longshot16 Super Member |
Joined: Posts: | November 2009 3,442 |
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We are working on a take over job that used Bose in Open House LV cans. The speaker runs are all different lengths and none will reach the rack.
1. "Wire Nut" and extend them into the rack 2. Keystone speaker posts and then jumpers to the rack 3. Some better looking option that wont have 8 wall plates with banana plugs poking out.
What do we do. What is the cleanest way to manage this now a days?
We will have all of our gear rack mounted.
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The Unicorn Whisperer |
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Post 2 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 13:36 |
Indigo Select Member |
Joined: Posts: | January 2008 2,040 |
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No "Wire Nut", but I'd do butt connectors #2 option is fine if you want to avoid to use butt connectors Something else you might put into consideration: [Link: onqproducts.com]
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Post 3 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 13:41 |
Easton Altree Founding Member |
Joined: Posts: | July 2001 930 |
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Din Rail terminal blocks: [Link: automationdirect.com]Doesn't get much cleaner, and would work great in the open house cans.
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Post 4 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 14:10 |
Mac Burks (39) Elite Member |
Joined: Posts: | May 2007 17,519 |
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1. "Wire Nut" and extend them into the rack How you "wire nut" is up to you. Some people prefer butt connectors some use Wire Nuts and we use wagos but the reality is that there is no difference. Put the splice point in a can so you can access it later if neccesary and close the door when you are done.
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OP | Post 5 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 14:43 |
longshot16 Super Member |
Joined: Posts: | November 2009 3,442 |
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Din rail huh? I have been avoiding them for years but that looks cool.
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The Unicorn Whisperer |
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Post 6 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 15:12 |
Mogul Senior Member |
Joined: Posts: | May 2010 1,164 |
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I solder and heat shrink extensions onto the lines where necessary. If I need really clean in-line joints, I solder tin each side of the splice, connect with bare butt-splices [no jokes please], crimp and then solder soak the splice, then heat shrink [with glue-lined if outdoors].
Have never had a failure...
Or you can employ the method some guys in my market seem to prefer:
1) Hack the insulation open with any dull implement you can borrow from the customer 2) Twist the wires together [being sure to leave whisps of frayed wire around the joint] 3) Wrap single strip of black electrical tape mostly around the exposed conductor 4) Drop wire on floor and/or tangle into a knot with other wires nearby
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Post 7 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 15:49 |
Mario Loyal Member |
Joined: Posts: | November 2006 5,681 |
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Jon, I would tell you to jump over to IP as I had a thread on this very subject. Well, it started as a wall rack and by page 3-5 it took another direction. But since IP is down, for me at least, feel free to call me to discuss.
I bought some DIN connectors in Red and Black. I also purchased some double level ones that I used in a 70V system and I really liked the way it's looking, even though I haven't finished the dress-up part yet.
Like I said, get on IP when you can, there are several options to choose from and there's a new product that was significantly cheaper than alternatives and so far I can't find anything wrong with it.
I will be on the 70V jobsite today; I'll take a picture if I get a chance.
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Post 8 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 16:23 |
davenport Senior Member |
Joined: Posts: | October 2006 1,361 |
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I'd use Direct Mount Terminal Blocks attached to a splice area likely inside of a small structured wiring panel (ugly box) placed inside of the wall and extend all of your new wires from there.
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Post 9 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 16:25 |
77W Advanced Member |
Joined: Posts: | June 2012 971 |
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We patch everything with DIN rail now even on NC projects. DIN rail goes either on a patch rack (larger jobs) or we install it inside a wiring can on smaller jobs, where the rack needs to go in the closet, etc.
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Post 10 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 16:29 |
fcwilt Senior Member |
Joined: Posts: | September 2003 1,283 |
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Unless you think that at some point you would benefit from some sort of intermediate "terminal strip" of some sort I would go with soldered on extensions - something like the approach described by another poster.
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Regards, Frederick C. Wilt |
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OP | Post 11 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 18:26 |
longshot16 Super Member |
Joined: Posts: | November 2009 3,442 |
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So on the Din rail solution does anyone have a source they prefer that I can order the red and black ones from. The one Easton posted looked good but I don't know exactly which pieces to order. I have three zones that will be grouped (single speaker closets) into one zone.
I assume something like the DN-t10A would work. Are all the actual rails the a standard size height wise?
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The Unicorn Whisperer |
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Post 12 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 18:52 |
Trunk-Slammer -Supreme Loyal Member |
Joined: Posts: | November 2003 7,462 |
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What size OnQ enclosure?
If it's big enough, you could simply mount several terminal barrier blocks in the can and then run the "extensions" out of the can, through a single large pass through wall plate, bundled up nicely, to the rack.
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Post 13 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 19:04 |
77W Advanced Member |
Joined: Posts: | June 2012 971 |
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On January 22, 2014 at 18:26, longshot16 said...
So on the Din rail solution does anyone have a source they prefer that I can order the red and black ones from. The one Easton posted looked good but I don't know exactly which pieces to order. I have three zones that will be grouped (single speaker closets) into one zone.
I assume something like the DN-t10A would work. Are all the actual rails the a standard size height wise? [Link: automationdirect.com][Link: automationdirect.com][Link: automationdirect.com]Free 2-day FedEx.
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Post 14 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 19:07 |
77W Advanced Member |
Joined: Posts: | June 2012 971 |
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For the 3 zones you want to link together, do it with these, then run 1 line into the DIN rail, and then through to your amplifier: [Link: ebay.com]We keep those and the 3 port ones in all our parts bins as they are SUPER useful for temporary and permanent splices, multiple gauge, etc. [Link: ebay.com]Mac gets credit for the Wagos and EJ for the DIN rail....
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Post 15 made on Wednesday January 22, 2014 at 19:08 |
77W Advanced Member |
Joined: Posts: | June 2012 971 |
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PS not affiliated with the eBay guy, just a quick/easy source.
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