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Post 1 made on Saturday January 18, 2014 at 05:54
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Hi Guys

I'm having a problem learning remote control functions from an original MCE remote to a global cache Ir Learner.
Basicallly we are swapping out a clients nevo control to demopad,
We learnt the nevo controls from manufacturers remote and everything works perfectly.
Tried with global cache and we can command the function ONCE then have to use a different command before we can use command again.
for instance. When we browse the movies files we cannot go down down down, we can only go down left down.
It is the same with every function.

and yes I know we can control via ip but ir has faster scrolling properties than the ip scrolling. (don't know why but it just does) and client is a fussy B*****rd and now he has experienced fast scrolling wont go back to slow scrolling

learning the hard way
Post 2 made on Saturday January 18, 2014 at 07:14
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Try copying and pasting these....

MyVideos/Red Device Code: 21 Function: 2
0000 006B 000D 000E 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 074F 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

PowerToggle Device Code: 21 Function: 3
0000 006B 000E 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

Green/MyPictures Device Code: 21 Function: 4
0000 006B 000D 000E 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 074F 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

Browser Device Code: 21 Function: 5
0000 006B 000D 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

MyTv/Yellow Device Code: 21 Function: 6
0000 006B 000E 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

Blue/MyMusic Device Code: 21 Function: 7
0000 006B 000D 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

SkipBack Device Code: 21 Function: 8
0000 006B 000D 000E 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 074F 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

FastForward Device Code: 21 Function: 9
0000 006B 000D 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

DVD Device Code: 21 Function: 10
0000 006B 000D 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

Play Device Code: 21 Function: 11
0000 006B 000C 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

LiveTv Device Code: 21 Function: 12
0000 006B 000E 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

Rewind Device Code: 21 Function: 13
0000 006B 000C 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

RecordedTv Device Code: 21 Function: 14
0000 006B 000D 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

Guide Device Code: 21 Function: 15
0000 006B 000D 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 073D

Stop Device Code: 21 Function: 16
0000 006B 000D 000E 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 074F 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

SkipForward Device Code: 21 Function: 17
0000 006B 000D 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

Info Device Code: 21 Function: 18
0000 006B 000D 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

Record Device Code: 21 Function: 19
0000 006B 000C 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

Pause Device Code: 21 Function: 20
0000 006B 000D 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

DirectionUp Device Code: 21 Function: 21
0000 006B 000B 000B 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

Backspace Device Code: 21 Function: 22
0000 006B 000C 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

DirectionLeft Device Code: 21 Function: 23
0000 006B 000C 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 073D

6 Device Code: 21 Function: 30
0000 006B 000D 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 073D

3 Device Code: 21 Function: 31
0000 006B 000D 000E 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 073D

DirectionDown Device Code: 21 Function: 32
0000 006B 000E 000E 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 074F 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

DirectionRight Device Code: 21 Function: 33
0000 006B 000D 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

Select/Ok Device Code: 21 Function: 34
0000 006B 000D 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

5 Device Code: 21 Function: 35
0000 006B 000D 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

2 Device Code: 21 Function: 36
0000 006B 000D 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

8 Device Code: 21 Function: 37
0000 006B 000C 000B 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

9 Device Code: 21 Function: 38
0000 006B 000D 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

Enter Device Code: 21 Function: 39
0000 006B 000C 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 073D

# Device Code: 21 Function: 40
0000 006B 000D 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

Clear Device Code: 21 Function: 41
0000 006B 000C 000B 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

0 Device Code: 21 Function: 42
0000 006B 000C 000B 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

* Device Code: 21 Function: 43
0000 006B 000B 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 073D

Close Device Code: 21 Function: 44
0000 006B 000D 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

7 Device Code: 21 Function: 45
0000 006B 000B 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 073D

Start Device Code: 21 Function: 46
0000 006B 000C 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 073D

ChannelUp Device Code: 21 Function: 47
0000 006B 000D 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 073D

Mute Device Code: 21 Function: 48
0000 006B 000E 000E 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D

ChannelDown Device Code: 21 Function: 49
0000 006B 000D 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

VolumeUp Device Code: 21 Function: 50
0000 006B 000D 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

VolumeDown Device Code: 21 Function: 51
0000 006B 000C 000D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 073D

1 Device Code: 21 Function: 52
0000 006B 000D 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D

4 Device Code: 21 Function: 53
0000 006B 000B 000C 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 073D 004A 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0025 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0013 0025 0025 0013 073D
Stay Hungry, Stay Foolish...
OP | Post 3 made on Saturday January 18, 2014 at 16:09
custominstalls
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many thanks
will try when back at site next wee
learning the hard way
Post 4 made on Sunday January 19, 2014 at 03:45
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You missed a 0 on one line and B on another.
Typing that must have been a bitch :-)
Post 5 made on Sunday January 19, 2014 at 03:53
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The way you describe the codes exactly fits what is called a toggle code. That is, the remote sends out one command; when the button is pushed again, a different command is sent out; when the button is pushed again, the first command is sent out. There is no problem with any button sequences until a button is repeated.

If the codes above don't work, you'll have to investigate how to learn toggle codes. I know the Crestron Learner makes you push each button twice just to be sure it will capture both versions if the remote you're working with happens to use toggle codes. I don't know how any other learners deal with this. There are IR experts in the Pronto Forums who can help with the concept and give guidance, even though you're not working with Prontos.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 6 made on Sunday January 19, 2014 at 12:26
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Ernie is on the right track, but this one is different to a toggle.  These IR signals decode as OrtekMCE, and it employs 3 states:
For reference, in IRP notation OrtekMCE is: {38.6k,480}<1,-1|-1,1>([P=0][P=1][P=2],4,-1,D:5,P:2,F:6,C:4,-48m)+{C=3+#D+#P+#F}
The issue is that the repeat frames are not all identical. P is a position code: 0 for the start frame, 2 for the end frame and 1 for all frames in between.   So a frame is sent with P = 0 when the button is first pressed.  While the button is being held down, P has the value 1. When the button is released, the last frame is sent with P=2.

This is an excellent system which allows the receiver to know exactly what the user is doing (any computer, phone, tablet keyboard uses a similar system.)  However the formats used to describe IR signals by Pronto Hex, Global Cache, etc aren't capable of representing this sequence.

UEI remotes use executors (subroutines) to send signals, so it is easy for them to generate the 3 states.  I don't know if other manufacturers can do that, but it is clear that a system which depends on the learning approach will be  sub-optimal.
OP | Post 7 made on Monday January 20, 2014 at 16:01
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Ok Thanks everyone.
I have since noticed that their are several different codes emitted for the same button and if I alternate between them it has the satisfactory result.
Still don't fully understand how the nevo overcomes this but hey it works and that's the main thing.
learning the hard way


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