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Crestrons Partnership with Samsung?
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Post 1 made on Friday June 7, 2013 at 14:56
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Cool idea, curious how many of you crestron guys are going to gamble with it?

My experience with samsungs "apps" have been less then steller. Not sure i would even bother with it..

my guess is its going to be a massive failure but you never know.

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Post 2 made on Friday June 7, 2013 at 15:19
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Might work great for simple 1 room system. The company i work for could never use it. As much as we would love to have every TV be from the same manufacturer its just not possible. We have to mix and match based on available space and TV manufacturers don't make it easy. Imagine selling 12 samsung TVs and relying on this interface and then 3 years later 2 TVs fail and their replacements are different sizes or worse...dont have crestron built in.

Distributed AV/automation needs a black box that can be distributed. We cant rely on CE products as part of the control system. Maybe down the road when $20k outfits a 10k sqft house with crestron because everything is plug and play and iOS/Android app'd...but in the mean time (next 10 years or so) we can't use it. It will get disabled like all of the other "smart" features in these TVs.

Speaking of TVs...i wish someone would start a monitor (video display for use in distributed av systems) company that lets you spec outside dimensions of the display...then fits the glass for you. Would be nice to have matching bezels on every TV. Would be great for getting the biggest TV possible in a given space.
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Post 3 made on Friday June 7, 2013 at 15:26
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So, does this mean it won't take over a minute to launch the built in Apps?

Or is the Crestron App always running and if so does that mean I can just control the TV like a crestron device?
Post 4 made on Friday June 7, 2013 at 16:40
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It's very simple, the menus should slide out quickly (as they do with ADT, which showed a Samsung app at CES). Why WOULDN'T you want this for rooms with Samsung TVs?

I like my hard buttons and would rather just feel around for the up/down/select buttons, keeping my eyes on the screen.
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Post 5 made on Friday June 7, 2013 at 16:44
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On June 7, 2013 at 16:40, juliejacobson said...
It's very simple, the menus should slide out quickly (as they do with ADT, which showed a Samsung app at CES). Why WOULDN'T you want this for rooms with Samsung TVs?

I like my hard buttons and would rather just feel around for the up/down/select buttons, keeping my eyes on the screen.

So are those apps running in the background so they always function?
Post 6 made on Friday June 7, 2013 at 16:50
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Its not that we dont want it. The issue is with consistency. The primary reason we use customizable control systems is so we can make the user experience the same from room to room/house to house. This feature would have to be implemented as an "extra feature for rooms with samsung TVs.

"Want the 90" sharp in the family room and a SIM2 projector in the theater? Sorry, NO...you can't have that feature in the primary TV watching rooms. It works great in the kids bedrooms though!"

Black box at the rack allows us to have it in every room.
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Post 7 made on Friday June 7, 2013 at 17:36
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On June 7, 2013 at 15:19, Mac Burks (39) said...
We cant rely on CE products as part of the control system. Maybe down the road when $20k outfits a 10k sqft house with crestron because everything is plug and play and iOS/Android app'd...but in the mean time (next 10 years or so) we can't use it. It will get disabled like all of the other "smart" features in these TVs.

You don't have to rely on it, it's just another option -- an option I would use all the time watching TV in bed or the main TV-watching space.
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Post 8 made on Friday June 7, 2013 at 20:56
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On June 7, 2013 at 17:36, juliejacobson said...
You don't have to rely on it, it's just another option -- an option I would use all the time watching TV in bed or the main TV-watching space.

Agreed. this doesn't look like a feature that would necessarily be used for big integrated homes. Or maybe it is, but its shown as an add-on feature (like xpanel often is). They could still have a crestron/rti handheld remote in their hand but have the option to use the built-in app. 

This could be a great option or add-on option for the smaller homes with just one tv in the family room or master bed or whatever. 
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Post 9 made on Friday June 7, 2013 at 21:13
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On June 7, 2013 at 16:50, Mac Burks (39) said...
Its not that we dont want it. The issue is with consistency. The primary reason we use customizable control systems is so we can make the user experience the same from room to room/house to house. This feature would have to be implemented as an "extra feature for rooms with samsung TVs.

"Want the 90" sharp in the family room and a SIM2 projector in the theater? Sorry, NO...you can't have that feature in the primary TV watching rooms. It works great in the kids bedrooms though!"

Black box at the rack allows us to have it in every room.

Its funny a year ago I would have thought this would be stupid. I had a big sh$t storm with a client where we connected a MMS-2 with video out in one room and they think we aren't done because we don"t have stupid stock photos in every room. The album art is on all of the controls. Turn off the TV. Argh

Black boxes for me.
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Post 10 made on Friday June 7, 2013 at 22:55
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On June 7, 2013 at 16:40, juliejacobson said...
I like my hard buttons and would rather just feel around

Stop that Julie. Behave yourself.
Post 11 made on Friday June 7, 2013 at 23:10
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Crestron does not have a choice at the time being. They can't afford to see an another display company fall to the hands of C4. My 2 cents.
Post 12 made on Sunday June 9, 2013 at 20:12
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On June 7, 2013 at 23:10, Indigo said...
Crestron does not have a choice at the time being. They can't afford to see an another display company fall to the hands of C4. My 2 cents.

+1 ...
Post 13 made on Sunday June 9, 2013 at 21:11
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I'm in Mac's camp. Consistent GUI from room to room is our design.
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Post 14 made on Sunday June 9, 2013 at 22:11
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On June 9, 2013 at 21:11, Greg C said...
I'm in Mac's camp. Consistent GUI from room to room is our design.

I hear this all of the time. I hear how important that every icon be the same size and all other GUI verities and my experience is that it just does not matter--and it never has. How many jobs had small and large panels? How many panels have different types of navigation? If you think about it your car radio works one way, your phone an other, iPad one way, Android an other an no client has any issues.

This is yet one more BS vertie that has infiltrated this industry from graphic design for which there is no empirical evidence. If you think about it, satellite IRDs have one GUI, cable boxes an other, BD yet an other and yet clients manage--and we can do nothing about this since all we are able to do is emulate what commands the device allows.

There is NEVER a consistent GUI. There is a consistent skin and that is not the same thing. Small panels have to operate differently than large panels since there is not the same space. A room with a keypad has different navigation than one with a keypad. A ML600 or any other remote operates differently than most all touch panels. Even if you're using top or bottom menus you do not have the same room to offer the same set of choices. Are small panels global? How about mid-size panels like the 6L or TSW-6? Till now, few of us have been able to make our TSW panels have the same skin as iPads. Does it matter?

I'm no fan of using the TV as a UI save for video sources. But it is the least expensive route into control. I have no clue about the marketing advantages. Has Vudu been helped by being included as an app on devices? Having a presence at the low end must be useful. But consistent UI is just one more BS being preached without any evidence that it does anything but give someone some other bit of received wisdom to preach from on high.
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Post 15 made on Sunday June 9, 2013 at 23:06
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On June 9, 2013 at 22:11, Audible Solutions said...
I hear this all of the time. I hear how important that every icon be the same size and all other GUI verities and my experience is that it just does not matter--and it never has. How many jobs had small and large panels? How many panels have different types of navigation? If you think about it your car radio works one way, your phone an other, iPad one way, Android an other an no client has any issues.

You have let all those jobs with multiple size and model panels create a false reality. You now think its okay that the user interfaces don't match. Car radios are a great example. All have a power toggle and preset buttons and channel up and down. This UI hasn't changed much over the last 40 years. Your phone is not a car radio. You don't need to dial numbers with your car radio.

Just because they can figure it out doesn't mean they should have to. If your clients are happy with different ways to skin a cat its because someone hasn't explained to them that it doesn't have to be that way...not because its "okay".
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