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4 Wire In Wall Speaker Wiring Convention
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Post 31 made on Thursday March 21, 2013 at 20:04
Robert Parker
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Bunch of damn whipper snappers! Right = Red + Green - Left = White + Black (or Blue) -. This is the color code on phono cartridges and it dates from... well clearly before you digital newbies were around.

BTW, the spell check is trying to tell me phono is misspelled. Go figure. Damn digital age! :-)
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Post 32 made on Thursday March 21, 2013 at 20:24
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Holy crap!!! Really?!

I honestly would much rather not use 4 conductor wire altogether! But seriously....red=right+, black=right-, white=left+, green=left-!!! I am pretty sure Mr. Spock would come to the same conclusion...as it is really the only logical choice. :)
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Post 33 made on Thursday March 21, 2013 at 20:26
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BTW, we took over a job that a furniture store wired for another integrator (yeah you read that right). Said furniture store used Monster cable 16/4. It is actually labeled using the scheme I stated above. Not that it means anything. Just saying.
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Post 34 made on Thursday March 21, 2013 at 22:12
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On March 21, 2013 at 17:15, Fred Harding said...
Christmas colors and newspapers

red plus, green minus
white plus, black minus

I'm sorry but mathematically, this would be incorrect because there's no result.:p
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Post 35 made on Thursday March 21, 2013 at 22:15
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What color are RCA jacks and plugs WRT Right and Left channels? Right is Red and Left is White.

Doesn't CEDIA recommend Red+/Black- and White+/Green- as the color code? I thought they taught this.

That is, if it matters to any of you what CEDIA teaches.
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Post 36 made on Thursday March 21, 2013 at 22:17
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On March 21, 2013 at 20:04, Robert Parker said...
Bunch of damn whipper snappers! Right = Red + Green - Left = White + Black (or Blue) -. This is the color code on phono cartridges and it dates from... well clearly before you digital newbies were around.

BTW, the spell check is trying to tell me phono is misspelled. Go figure. Damn digital age! :-)

Phonograph.
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Post 37 made on Thursday March 21, 2013 at 22:20
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On March 21, 2013 at 22:17, Mac Burks (39) said...
Phonograph.

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Post 38 made on Thursday March 21, 2013 at 23:19
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I had forgotten the cartridge color code. That's how long ago that was. But yeah, I used that code, which I had already known for five or six years, when I first got to four-color speaker wire.

On March 21, 2013 at 22:17, Mac Burks (39) said...
Phonograph.

gramophone: Edison
graphophone: Columbia
I forget who was Grafonola and that's not worth a google right now.
Victrola was Victor, Edison's big competitor

They had no wire color standards because those players had no wires.
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Post 39 made on Thursday March 21, 2013 at 23:47
Ernie Gilman
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Mac, you should go back to your other member name. Sorry, but your real name is not as colorful. The pimp photo goes well with the old name.

Oh, yeah, about color codes -- all conductors are the same. The only difference is the dye used in the insulation, and that does not affect performance. I mean, it's not like the evil blue M&Ms!

The choice of wire color only matters as far as it helps you remember how you have wired other things or however it makes it easy to remember how to hook it up to other equipment that has color coding. So
*there is actually no sensible or wrong color code
*test equipment, power supplies with terminals, and single pair wire almost always uses red and black, so that should be a pair
*what's done in another industry should be ignored when it flatly contradicts years of practice in electronics
*all that really matters is that you always use the same color code and that when you see a different code used on a job, you either follow it or you replace every friggin' wire in the house -- "oh, yes, and $812 to change out the wire because the color code doesn't make sense."
*the phono color code, though now lost to history, was a reasonable starting place for the industry.

Some of those might contradict others. That's life, especially when it does not intrinsically matter.
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Post 40 made on Friday March 22, 2013 at 00:48
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On March 21, 2013 at 19:41, Mario said...
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That's what I don't understand.
Every AVR, amp, speaker splitter/selector and speaker, as well as most 1x/2 Ga speaker wire has Red/Black on the terminals (or wire jacket). 
How do you not pick Red/Black as a pair?

Only new industry folks see it this way. A true industry veteran will have installed hundreds of phonograph cartridges where right is red/green and left is white/black. This became an industry standard long before CEDIA got on the map.

Easy - Red/Green = RiGht; green and black are always ground.
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Post 41 made on Friday March 22, 2013 at 01:11
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Why are we so concerned about wire colors.... Everything's wireless these days.......
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Post 42 made on Friday March 22, 2013 at 02:41
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Is fiber called wireless? I mean, it is!
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Post 43 made on Saturday March 23, 2013 at 11:57
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But what if my 4 conductor has a blue wire inside? :) I had a spool of that once. Just once.

Right= Red+ Black-
Left =white+ Green-

Always have and and always will use that method. If a tech wires it different, then pull out a 4' piece of RG11 and teach it to him the hard way.
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Post 44 made on Saturday March 23, 2013 at 12:10
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On March 21, 2013 at 22:20, goldenzrule said...
I greatly resepect 39 Cent Stamp. I just cannot bow down to Mac Burks :-)

yes batman....put your mask back on!!
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Post 45 made on Saturday March 23, 2013 at 12:12
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I hate the argument "that's how it was done first back in the day".  Times change, things evolve.

The world is not flat.
We don't ride horses when we travel.
We don't own slaves.

And now a days with distributed video, Right and left speakers DO matter in house wide audio...
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