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PIP (Does anyone know how to do this?)
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Post 1 made on Sunday April 28, 2002 at 13:15
duugg
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Does anyone know how to do this?

This assumes you never use your TV speakers for anything and always use the receiver sound for everything.

How can you setup your system so that everytime you change the PIP source on the TV, the receiver automatically knows what sound source to select?

If the TV speakers were being used, the TV would automatically know, but how do you tell the receiver the same thing?

This assumes 1 A/V source from the VCR Tuner, and the other A/V source from the TV Tuner.

Is there a way to tell the receiver this....

"Whatever sound would've normally come from the TV speakers (i.e. VCR Tuner, TV Tuner), output the same sound source to the receiver automatically".


I would think alot of people that have PIP, and a receiver would be doing this right now, after all, who wants to listen to TV speakers anyway.

I just don't know how the receiver would know this without manually switching it.


Thanks in advance
Post 2 made on Sunday April 28, 2002 at 13:18
kabster
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If your tv has audio out , use that for your receiver . You may still have to pick your sound source (pip or main) on the tv. Look in the setup menu of your tv.

This message was edited by kabster on 04/28/02 13:19.14.
Post 3 made on Sunday April 28, 2002 at 14:32
Matt
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That is still a problem with todays systems, they were not desinged around PIP. If you have a pronto remote and programmed it well, you could do this. But the problem is starting at a knowen state for the TV. Maybe your televison has a quirk that would allow you to do that. Like most televisions will revert to the CATV/ANT input with a channel up or down press from any input.

Your going to have to play around a bit.
Post 4 made on Monday April 29, 2002 at 02:04
Brent Southam
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You mean you actually use the PIP?
Post 5 made on Monday April 29, 2002 at 22:51
Matt
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Yeah, not a lot of home theater buff's do. But it's big for the sports nuts!
Post 6 made on Tuesday April 30, 2002 at 14:19
Jose Blanco
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This is what I did for a guy with a similar situation:

Note: This worked on a television that had discrete inputs to Video inputs and tuner.

On the home page I created a PIP button that jumped to another home panel labeled PIP. This panel asked the question "What would you like to have on the small picture?"...Icons displayed the names of video sources...DVD, VCR, TV, DSS, whatever...and a PIP off button. Those icons macro put the tv to their designated input. It also turned on PIP (toggle), and then swapped. Then the remote jumped to a device panel labeled PIP. (You'll see why in a sec). This panel asked the question "what would you like on the large picture?". This panel would have the same icons as the home panel, minus the one the selected for the small picture. When the user selected the large picture, the macro selcted the right video input AND told the receiver what input. Then it jumped to the large pictures transport panel.

Now the easy part. When you hit the home icon, the remote goes to the last home panel you used...the PIP home panel! If the user wants to swap or change sources...boom there you go. Or the can turn PIP off, which that button jumps to the main home panel as before.

Tricky....but it works.
Post 7 made on Thursday May 2, 2002 at 08:19
Dave Goodfellow
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I have a PIP, in the cupboard at the moment but it may make it back onto the pile soon.

The videos(2) feed into the PIP which has its own tuner. The PIP sends audio to the amp and TV signal to the TV (either via the amp or not). Job Done.

I could run the DVD through it as well but the quality isn't as good. I have never wanted to watch a DVD and other stuff at the same time anyway, so the DVD runs to amp and TV.

I know that the PIP needs its own tuner and you need another tuner or Satellite box to feed it but this is a solution that worked for me.

Regards

Dave
Post 8 made on Thursday May 2, 2002 at 12:47
Scott in CO
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As Duugg implied, the secret of successful PIP is to get the TV to switch the audio for you when you press the SWAP button. The trick is to wire the audio of your PIP sources in series, yet have each video source feed to the TV independently. I just recently got my PIP working well, and with the help of my MX-500, it's a piece of cake, and has a high FAF (Fiance Acceptance Factor). It's now so intuitive that I actually use the PIP! I'll describe the parts of my setup that are relevant to PIP. I use a digital cable box (DCB) and a Panasonic TV. My TV has three inputs: ANT, VideoIn1/AudioIn1, VideoIn2/AudioIn2. Each of these has discrete codes, which are used in device switching macros later. The TV also has AudioOut, which is also key.

VIDEO WIRING:
Coax from the wall is split, feeding TV Ant and the DCB.
Composite video from DCB to TV VideoIn2.

AUDIO WIRING:
DCB AudioOut to the TV AudioIn2.
TV AudioOut to preamp AudioIn1.
The TV speakers are set to "Off" using the TV setup menu and are never used.
>>>The audio out is now in series, from DCB to TV to preamp AudioIn1.

The MX-500 has the TV and the DCB set up as two separate components (TV and CABLE), so you can use either tuner independently. To watch cable, select CABLE from the MX-500 main menu (one-second press), and a macro switches the TV to TV VideoIn2 and switches preamp to AudioIn1. The DCB audio PASSES THROUGH the TV to the preamp. To watch TV, select TV from the MX-500 main menu (one-second press), and a macro switches the TV to ANT (direct cable feed from the wall) and switches the preamp to AudioIn1.

Side Note: So why bother setting up both TV and CABLE devices on the remote if you always watch digital cable channels? My JVC VCR has an IR emitter to control the DCB for timed recording, including premium channels, and the cable box coax feeds the VCR. If I'm recording HBO (cable box required), but I also want to watch non-premium channels at the same time, I use the TV device. Watch one show, record another.

So what about PIP? Say you are watching the DCB as the main source on the TV (video to TV VideoIn2, Audio passing through TV to Preamp). Hit the PIP button, and the ANT source displays in the PIP window. And now the payoff: Press SWAP, and the TV will switch ANT to be the main picture, and puts TV VideoIn2 (DCB) into the PIP, AND THE AUDIO FOR ANT IS NOW PASSING TO THE PREAMP INSTEAD OF THE AUDIO FOR TV VIDEOIN2 (DCB)!!!

To make all of this intuitive, I programmed the first page of the MX-500 CABLE device with all of the standard PIP commands: PIP, SWAP, MOVE, SIZE. I added a PIP> button, which cycles through the TV video sources, so you can change what is showing in the PIP window if it gets out of sync, or if you want to select the DVD or VCR on TV VideoIn1. I also added two buttons on the LCD in the CABLE device to change the TV channels (<< TV and TV >>). This allows you to change the PIP channel (when PIP=ANT) without having to go to another MX-500 device, since the channel up/down and 0-9 on the CABLE device all control the DCB.

You could, in theory, "daisy chain" the audio of several devices together: Cable box to VCR to DVD to TV to preamp/receiver, and get the same effect. (Yes, the audio quality could suffer; I said "in theory"!) Just make sure that the video out of each device has it's own input on the TV. The MX-500 is invaluable in this application, since it allows you to send a macro when changing devices, thus being able to select the right audio on the preamp/receiver, and the right video on the TV.

Try it out; feedback is welcome!

Scott



This message was edited by Scott in CO on 05/02/02 14:47.38.
Post 9 made on Friday June 21, 2002 at 00:59
ItsColdInMN
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Doesn't it seem like this is just getting a little more complicated than it should be?


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