Okay...I was pretty sure, but..I decided to call him and find out first hand. He said he couldn't remember the model #'s, but that they WERE in fact Bose. They were built like pieces of furniture, had grille cloth on 3 of the 4 sides, and the top was like a shelf top. No Bi-amp terminals, but they did have weird lug terminals (I remember hooking them up with my dad). The Nakamichi Reel to Reel was actually a Sansui, and he had a couple DBX processors too. But as for the Bose's, he was confident they were "Bose"'s, but didn't remember the model #. They might not have been tweeters. They could have been mids....I got my first glimpse at the innards when I was a kid and they got soaked when my mom put them outside after a big fight. Needless to say they were fun to smash to pieces. They pretty much crumbled like all MDF does when it gets wet. Might not have been a 15" but was definitely at least a 12". Bose DOES use tweeters...they too just suck. I'm not on a mission to try to identiy the mysterious bose speakers. I'll let ya know what I find.

You'd have been welcome, though maybe not thankful. Listed in order of tangible value:

1.) The Dreadnaughts; those amps actually kicked billybobb, but I was genuinely afraid that internal components were degrading. Time for the smelting furnace.

2.) The Ferrograph; Valuable to someone who needs to lay down tracks and can't afford anything else.

3.) The DBX stuff; Valuable to someone with lots of DBX recorded material or other DBX equipment, probably more valuable than "Ferro" in situations of specific need.

4.) The "Blows" speakers; Strangest thing: The surrounds had not yet turned to powder, yet the cones were deteriorating and separating from the dust caps (which were still in great shape).

Here goes: I'm going to be the laughing stock, but I've got the guts to say "I actually did this".

I used one of my most evil tricks to date: I wanted to patch them up just to see if I could. I looked around the house for some likely patch material, and when I looked at common brown paper shopping bags and spotted the words "Kraft Paper", I knew it was written in the stars.
(Speaker City is just over the hill from me, so I KNEW I WAS DOING EVIL, even as I toiled.)
I cut overlapping 1/3 sections to fit, crumpled them into compact balls, and then flattened them out again. I coated a section of the cone with Aviation Permatex and then coated the corresponding section of paper and layed it in place. Then I painted it liberally with 'tex, and started the next section. When it dried the drivers were reminiscent of some SoundStream wrinkled up woofer cones I'd seen. (No attempt to mimic, just coincidence.) It made those cones extremely stiff.
(How stiff were they Sheik?)

Since I never heard the speakers new, I don't have a baseline; let's just say they sounded better than any "Blows" I've had occasion to hear. They had to be backed up against the wall ala' Wild Bill Hickok to sound any good at all.(Needed about a foot of clearance.) If you put them in corners you may as well put your fingers in your ears too. They had horribly idiotic tapered "spire" stands that wobbled when the wind blew. (blew? "Blows"? maybe there's a pattern here?) But hanging in my garage they was jammin'. Now I've got some shmuck-bait JBL Studio Mon's and some old AR's in the garage. Wait! Bring back the QUAD TUBE AMP!

I think you can see a similar pair on the floor at greasetattoo's site. In fact you can see them here. I got grossed out (Bose'd out?) just looking at them. Mine were 15 or 20 years old and they haven't changed.

OKAY! Fair's fair; I helped destroy this thread so please beat me up for my speaker folly.

'Cold: Next time I purge I'll let YOU know first; I got some old Alpine car audio stuff that needs a home. If someone says "boo" I'll post details in the Marketplace Forum.

BOO!

I am going to break my ponderous posterior down into packets, and send myself after you through the Internet. (You'll have time to evade me, as THAT download will take a while.) I haven't even been able to get into my crawlspace to take advantage of the gracious help you (Larry) offered on my 220V situation, and you're already tasking me again? OK, I'm a MOMW, I'll get a physical inventory and post it over "thar'". (Hint: if you were doing a "period" Lamborghini, you'd be looking for this stuff.)


Besides, I said "boo", not BOO!
(Now I'm frightened and it's going to take longer.)

In Your Face!! Yes! In Thee Face!!

I hope this link works, my first link...I'm so proud

[Link: off-beat.com]

If that doesn't work, copy and paste it. The second picture down, the top pair of speakers, THOSE are the speakers he had....see I described them perfectly. Notice how incredibly destroyed they are? Well...that's Bose for ya. They live....I just wish I knew what model they were

Okay....so I think it's a 10" woofer and not a 12".....I was smaller back then too, so it seemed bigger. Still....it's bigger than anything Bose uses today, except for the 12" subwoofer in their Pro line's bass cube.

This message was edited by ItsColdInMN on 07/02/02 16:53.12.

I have heard those TIC in ground speakers, and I think if that's all you have in the backyard, then they may sound fine to you. Put them against something else and they will fall down dead.

I installed some Energy Tempest outdoor speakers under the eaves when the customer had already sunk some TICs about 35 feet away on the rear property (fence) line. The Energy speakers can hold their own with a lot of indoor bookshelfs, and their price ($150) is reasonable.

The Energys were crisp and balanced, but in comparison, the TICs were all mud and boom. I think some eq would help but then the Energys would be too bright.

A-B testing doesn't put the TICs in a good light. BTW, I've installed a lot of StereoStones, which are good middle of the road rocks, and two of my clients opted for TIC rocks (about $140 each) and I felt sorry for them when they were installed.

I'm not a TIC fan, case you can't tell. I think if it's all you've heard, they can be nice.

We used to sell a lot of speakers out of our retail store, and in the 80's we had a hard sell with some of the Viet Nam vets who had brought back Pioneer and Sansui speakers in the early 70's. They loved them and couldn't be convinced that the lousy tweeters of that era and generally high range 70-120 hz bass they put out was boomy and unnatural.

Finally someone traded in a pair to us and we kept them on display for 10 years. Whenever we heard the "I'll never get rid of my Pioneer CS-xx's" we gave an A-B demo, and suddenly, the new technology had some merit in their minds.

Just my $.02
=Tom

Get ahold of yourself man!! (Slap, slap.)


You can be proud of the link, but look what it led to! What a horror show!!


Just like in a Monster movie; you think they're dead, but they keep coming back.


We can only hope "Blows" lost the schematics.

LoL Sheik, you're funny. I think you're just mad that I proved you wrong. But I didn't do it to prove you wrong...it's like my childhood coming back to me. Don't mess with my memory. They sounded pretty damn good back in the day, nothing even close to what I have now, but still, for a pair of speakers like that, especially considering they're Bose. A friend of mine's dad had a pair of old Advent's that completely rotted like these...good to see times have changed. My other friend's older brother though had a pair of Sansui's with the ugliest wood grille, but they had 12" woofers with the inverted surrounds, and waveguide fins over the tweeter and they too rocked the house. I wouldn't trade my current speakers for anything, but it would kind of be fun to have a vintage setup, even if it included some Bose equipment. Sorry I was so excited about my link, I'm still pretty new to this.

About the TIC omni's, they do tend to be quite heavy on the boom side, I eq'd mine to pretty much rolloff completely at about 100Hz. Because of landscaping I'm going to get around to this summer, I'll probably be relocating them and installing something with better high end response and a brighter, more defined sound. Not sure what yet, just going to run the cable, then decide later.

You must have owned a Bose system Sheik, to have such contempt for Bose. Did you blow the whopping 5 1/4" subwoofer in your lifestyle bass module and Bose didn't fix it? Hehe

Shave yourself and call me ; )


Hey Cold: It was Tony Golden who thought you didn't remember correctly. (He said "Bozak".) If you say you saw Bose, how the heck can I argue? I wasn't there so I have no possible tangible evidence to the contrary. (And I am definitely "mad", but not angry in the least.) You won't have to look far to find me proven wrong, and I usually suck it up pretty well.


Never the first owner of any Bose, and NEVER owned any "mini-Bose", and like I said:


That refers to the old 901's I donated to the Vietnam Vets Charity. The REAL reason they sounded better than any of the current 'lil Bose systems was just RAW cubic inches. There were many brands of speakers made in the same era (and prior) that made it justifiable to sledgehammer those 901's as they came off the assembly line NEW.


Dude, don't be sorry; with knowledge, every step forward is a good step.


You'll find no shortage of that on RemCen. I won't go into details, but as I said in another thread, a friend of mine occasionally buys the most recent Bose mini system and then A/B's them in his showroom against Klipsch and NHT's bookshelf speakers. Works like a steel trap. Bose? Great selling tool, FOR OTHER MFR's products!!!


The only 5 1/4" in my inventory (now, or ever) that qualifies for "woofer" status is some old Dynaudio mobile sound mid-woofers. By the time I reuse them the surrounds will probably blow away in the wind.

You guys have to much time on your hands.

Tick, tick, tick, tick,tick, tick, tick.

I am a custom installer in minnesota. I just fixed a situation that you are about to enter. I started out with a 2 ch amp and a IM volume control, for 3 pairs of speakers. NOT ENOUGH OUTPUT!!!! After trying to save his bottom line for 3 months he finally gave me the go ahead for the perfect soution. I used a niles SI-1230 and a Xantech RGC-11 remote preamp (little black box), bridged 12 to make six and now it is plenty loud. The amp has a bus input with dip switch to set L, R, or L+R. Setup will allow you to listen and change settings. And we leave speakers out year around no problems

What the hell are you talking about...as clear as mud I'd say.

Not enough output is usually a poor desing in the first place.

Sonance has good speakers for outside model 300 and works great. As about Crestron I did one outside with the cover and it "lived" for about month. My boss forced me to do so, so I did it. You need to know that I am in Atlanta, humidity is unbelieveable sometimes and thing just doesn't work at that way. Try to find a way to sell 1550 panel. 1000 doesn't live long enough outside.

This message was edited by Tvrtko on 07/04/02 02:11.27.

I have to agree with Matt. My amp is rated for 500 Watts per channel RMS, at 2 ohms per channel, that's 125 watts RMS to each speaker. I've never had a problem with too little power or volume.