Your Universal Remote Control Center
RemoteCentral.com
Custom Installers' Lounge Forum - View Post
Previous section Next section Up level
Up level
The following page was printed from RemoteCentral.com:

Login:
Pass:
 
 

Topic:
Scaler help?
This thread has 3 replies. Displaying all posts.
Post 1 made on Wednesday May 5, 2004 at 21:18
charlieg
Long Time Member
Joined:
Posts:
April 2003
168
Just installed first scaler.
System consists of :
H&K avr630
HD CATV
Integra DVD
Sharp Z10000
CS-1

Customer was watching Braves baseball in familyroom on 43" toshiba with cable run straight to it. It was an awesome picture! He then says lets turn it on in the media room. The red shirts looked dark maroon, he was not pleased with the colors. But on the HD channels it looked great. So after using video setup disk and spending hours checking connections we decided to get scaler. Now, I install scaler today. Neither customer nor I are very happy. I have composite signal of catv box going into the scaler and output set to 720p. I have component out of catv box going into pass thru of scaler. and I have the dvd component out to component (interlaced) input of scaler and set to 720p. The dvd looked better going thru the H&K in progressive before. And while the faces are now looking better than before (as far as coloring) the picture is not that much better for all the money spent. With the pass thru you can compare scaled version to non and their just doesn't seem to be that much difference.

Is their something I'm not doing right? or is this it?

Post 2 made on Thursday May 6, 2004 at 10:56
Theatreinstaller
Long Time Member
Joined:
Posts:
July 2003
65
Why are you using a scaler to fix a color problem. It will keep your custom from having to us the tv remote but to help out with the color and tint. You need to setup the Projector for each input. The setup on the Z10000 is really good. It will allow you to set each color indiviually.

good luck
TI
Post 3 made on Thursday May 6, 2004 at 11:10
Impaqt
RC Moderator
Joined:
Posts:
October 2002
6,233
With the Sharp 10000, you should be going direct from the Cable box to the Projector on Compoent 1, and then the scaler should be going to component 2. THis way,m you can set the color up separately for the different inputs.

Also, the Native resolution of the 10000 is 1280 x 720. the 720P setting may work, but thats more for CRT based products. Try the various 1280x720 settings.

And get the thing calibrated. that is a MUCH better investment than a basic scaler for most of these mid level projectors. the $300-$500 is money well spent.

Post 4 made on Thursday May 6, 2004 at 11:43
PHSJason
Advanced Member
Joined:
Posts:
December 2002
994
First of all, lets understand what a scaler does. A scaler changes one resolution to another. Almost every device in your video system does this to some extent. Some do it better than others. Most mid-level DVD players today use a fairly decent Faroudja DcDi chip that performs fairly well. That is why your DVD looked better before. To get a noticeable difference on DVD, you need to either have a very cheap DVD player to start with, or a fairly good scaler(Faroudja NRS, HD Leeza, or better). Most of the $500-1500 scalers will give about the same results as the internal scalers in the units.
Next, you need to understand what a scaler is and isn't. A scaler changes one resolution to another via a series of algorithims and processing. A by-product of having each video source connected directly to the scaler is that you can have seperate color/video settings for each source in the scaler. You can also do this by having each source connected directly to your display device, if you display supports this function. A scaler is designed to get rid of the jagged edges that you see when watching SD material on a HD display. Scalers also fix some time based sync errors, as well as fill in the gaps between the interlaced lines with additional information. How each company does this is different and that is one of the biggest differences in scaler technology. From what you mentioned above, it sounds like you didn't need a scaler in the Theatre, you needed a better tuner.
If you are using the off the shelf Motorola/GI HD cable box for all of your cable in the Theatre, you are relying on a VERY cheap analog tuner section to provide the signal for the system. While these boxes look OK for HD, thier analog ability is a far cry from good. That is why the picture on the stand alone TV looked so much better. It has a better analog tuner. My reccomendation, remove the scaler as it isn't making an improvement, and add a high quality analog tuner to the system as another source. Not the most user friendly option, having channels 100 and above coming from one box, and 99 and below from another, but the picture difference is worth it. Especially if they watch a lot of basic cable. Also, go through your cable distribution and make sure you have no open ends, everything terminated with 75 ohm ends, and that you have good signal all the way to each room, with no bleed off.

Jason


Jump to


Protected Feature Before you can reply to a message...
You must first register for a Remote Central user account - it's fast and free! Or, if you already have an account, please login now.

Please read the following: Unsolicited commercial advertisements are absolutely not permitted on this forum. Other private buy & sell messages should be posted to our Marketplace. For information on how to advertise your service or product click here. Remote Central reserves the right to remove or modify any post that is deemed inappropriate.

Hosting Services by ipHouse