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RJ45 ports for phones?
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Post 1 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 13:23
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Does anyone do this as a standard practice?
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Post 2 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 13:25
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Yup. On both ends. We use Snap's phone block, which is RJ45. At the plates, we use white Cat5 jacks for phone and blue for data. Much easier for our techs to use one method for all connections.
Post 3 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 13:36
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On April 9, 2012 at 13:25, cgav said...
Yup. On both ends. We use Snap's phone block, which is RJ45. At the plates, we use white Cat5 jacks for phone and blue for data. Much easier for our techs to use one method for all connections.

same here. its just faster and easier and less to stock
OP | Post 4 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 14:34
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The reason I ask is because the customer is having an issue with it and I've never experienced a problem before so I was kinda wondering if there was a reason not to set it up this way. Data seems to be much more prevalent now a days and even commercial installs are going with VOIP systems and phones are plugged into the network wiring. I would prefer to wire everything to a patch panel and either split off using a 1x12 phone module or network switch. Commercial side can be different because of phone systems but it's much easier to carry cat5e/6 RJ45's and plate out everything using these ports.
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Post 5 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 14:41
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I think you have to use 586A standard for a standard rj11 connector to work. That is if you use standard phone terminations at the block. If he is having issues and the outlet is punched using 586B, only line 1 would work. What issue is he having?
Post 6 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 14:42
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On April 9, 2012 at 14:34, drewski300 said...
The reason I ask is because the customer is having an issue with it and I've never experienced a problem before so I was kinda wondering if there was a reason not to set it up this way. Data seems to be much more prevalent now a days and even commercial installs are going with VOIP systems and phones are plugged into the network wiring. I would prefer to wire everything to a patch panel and either split off using a 1x12 phone module or network switch. Commercial side can be different because of phone systems but it's much easier to carry cat5e/6 RJ45's and plate out everything using these ports.

What is the customer having an issue with, pluging into the jack or paying for the jack?

We only use RJ45 jacks for phone and data. Like cgav mentioned we also use white for phone and blue for data. Makes finish very easy and easy for the client to desipher between which jacks are phone and which are data.
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OP | Post 7 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 14:48
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On April 9, 2012 at 14:42, SWOInstaller said...
What is the customer having an issue with, pluging into the jack or paying for the jack?

We only use RJ45 jacks for phone and data. Like cgav mentioned we also use white for phone and blue for data. Makes finish very easy and easy for the client to desipher between which jacks are phone and which are data.

This is exactly what we do as well.

The customer thinks the RJ11 isn't seating as well as they would like and they are worried about the reliability of the jacks. I tried to convince them otherwise but they are still nervous. The customer has an "IT" person who I believe is saying that this isn't standard. That's why I was asking.
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Post 8 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 14:51
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On April 9, 2012 at 14:41, goldenzrule said...
I think you have to use 586A

well, 568....
We can't give you a good answer, or maybe any, without the make and model of everything.
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Post 9 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 14:56
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On April 9, 2012 at 14:51, Ernie Gilman said...
well, 568....

Yup, sorry about that. Typing to fast and I didn't notice. I see I did it twice too, oops.
Post 10 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 15:05
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I have NEVER had a customer even question it. That said, if a customer questioned it, I'd gladly switch to RJ11 jacks.
Post 11 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 16:16
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We do the same as everyone else here, RJ45 jacks, white for phone and blue for data. Never had a problem. I guess their all-knowing "IT guy" has never installed or worked with IP telephones LOL If he's stuck in the POTS mind set he's probably also recommending dial up with AOL!

How about this: re-terminate the telephone set's cord with RJ45's on the plate end?!?!
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Post 12 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 16:36
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No! We had to use all matching Lutron plates for a project once and they only make a RJ45 jack. the clients have a Panasonic phone system and it is possible to put the regular phone plug in so it does not work. They are also more prone to wobble around or fall out. If you want to go out on BS service calls because someone can't get the plug to correctly snap into the jack then go ahead and do it.
Post 13 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 17:46
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On April 9, 2012 at 13:25, cgav said...
At the plates, we use white Cat5 jacks for phone and blue for data....

Please enlighten me, what is a Cat5 Jack?







































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Post 14 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 17:48
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Seriously? Everyone else knew exactly wtf I meant. A datacomm cat5 white keystone jack. Let me know if you'd like a part number also.
Post 15 made on Monday April 9, 2012 at 17:50
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On April 9, 2012 at 17:48, cgav said...
Seriously? Everyone else knew exactly wtf I meant. A datacomm cat5 white keystone jack. Let me know if you'd like a part number also.

HAHAHA, You still didn't say it! I was just giving you a hard time! 

FYI, RJ45 is the type of jack. You have to say, because RJ11 jacks are very commonly used with Cat5 for phone connections...sort of the topic of this thread actaully. 
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