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Snap B300 HDMI 4x4 matrix ( Day From Hell)
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OP | Post 91 made on Thursday April 12, 2012 at 04:44
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On April 12, 2012 at 03:09, WhiteVan Lifestyle said...
Have you considered using the HDMI outputs rather than the cat5 outputs and placing Solocat HDbaseT extenders between the matrix and display?

No I haven't even considered that. What is the reasoning behind your question? Any information will help.
Post 92 made on Sunday June 24, 2012 at 14:53
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Gman,

Were you able to solve the hdmi matrix issue?

I was considering using a snap 8 x 8 hdmi matrix switch, but it might be a bad idea considering your issues. In addition, although the house was prewired by a reputable install company with cat 6, it is not shielded - lengths are not that long though and the system is fairly basic - motorola cable boxes and apple TV's.

I like Atlona products, but its a big price jump (unless the snap piece sends me to troubleshooting hell).

What is retail on a Crestron DM piece?

What are you all using these days for 8 x 8 hdmi matrix?
Post 93 made on Sunday June 24, 2012 at 15:16
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I just did a snap 8x8 and a couple of the cat5s had to be coupled together to make the runs. There was no other way to get wire where we needed it without a ton of damage so we tried it. I couldn't be more impressed.
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Post 94 made on Sunday June 24, 2012 at 17:52
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I personally would't hesitate to use a Snap 8x8. We recently installed our first of the new B-300 4x4 and it is a great piece. There were a few little snafus with doubling outputs (CAT5 to display and one to local AVR) where AVR would lose the audio signal but it was resolved with a firmware update. Keep in mind we had one of the first ones off the line right when they started shipping.

We tried a WyreStorm 8x8 before the bigger Snap units started shipping and it was clearly inferior, although it worked.

Not every system can be DM and I think the Snap units are a great alternative.
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OP | Post 95 made on Sunday June 24, 2012 at 21:21
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On June 24, 2012 at 14:53, andrewinboulder said...
Gman,

Were you able to solve the hdmi matrix issue?

We never could get it to work. Ends were re-terminated multiple times and same issues. Because the sources were DVD and Cable; we resorted to changing it out with a component matrix. No problems since.....
Post 96 made on Monday August 13, 2012 at 16:11
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This b300 8X8 has been a nightmare. No issues ever with the 210. This product wasn't ready for release. Empirically tested 2 B300. One with no control other than IR. Major switching issues. The 2nd one works only sometimes. We are looking for a new switch that works. Anyone thinking about this, save your time and money. Your job will be a loss. The only one sticking up for this product are employees of Snap AV. This switch does not work, period. Having continual control issues via IP and RS-232. IR commands must be spaced 5 seconds apart. IP works sometimes. Also not letting a 100MB feedback light on my switch from this device, I think they used a 10BaseT ethernet card. What a joke. I'm 2 weeks in on getting this thing to work. B300... you're fired.

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Post 97 made on Monday August 13, 2012 at 16:22
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many feel your pain. They will swap stuff out but I am not jumping back in that arena. The B210 did work flawlessly.
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Post 98 made on Tuesday August 14, 2012 at 18:16
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Just replaced the Snap AV B300 with a 4X4 Key Digital XD-4X4CX Switch with baluns. I got it working RS-232 flawlessly in 2 hours. Instant reaction time. Outstanding for the price. I just wanted it to work. It works :)

Very happy now.
Post 99 made on Tuesday August 14, 2012 at 18:48
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On August 13, 2012 at 16:11, dbfreq23 said...
Also not letting a 100MB feedback light on my switch from this device, I think they used a 10BaseT ethernet card. What a joke.

how fast do you need your commands to get the unit?
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Post 100 made on Tuesday August 14, 2012 at 20:10
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On March 30, 2012 at 22:05, schlepp571 said...
The difference is actually palpable. All of the manufacturers chose a standard and designed their data transmissions to be maximized by using that standard. The number of twists per unit length is the issue. The green and orange pairs have different number of twists. We all know how HDMI is finicky at best with the cable. Implement it over twisted pairs and use a different standard than recommended, boom issues most of the time. Micro-reflections can easily cause the issues you bring up due to non standard wiring terminations. Not saying that it is causing the real problem. I always pull shielded cat-6 for any HDMI matrix solution as I had nothing but problems with non-shielded. For the last year (fingers crossed while knocking on wood) I have had none on 4 Snap 4x4 matrix installs. Best of luck with finding the solution.

Yes, exactly. The different twists per inch in the standard for Cat-5e, and Cat-6 (and up) give a different length of actual wire in each pair. Green pair will have a different twist per inch than Orange and will be two different lengths. This matters for extremely high bandwidth signals only such as that found in HDMI transmission at 1080p (Blu-Ray DVD). It's more about the skew of the signals going through so that the clock can sync data properly at the other end and the data coming out is a better representation of the data going in.

Using shielded cable will likely give better results and help maintain signal integrity if properly grounded at one end and using shielded connectors. Grounding is usually taken care of by the manufacturer of the baluns or matrix switch. Also avoid running these particular cables (for HDMI baluns) anywhere near noise sources such as light cans, romex cable, hvac units, etc.
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Post 101 made on Tuesday August 14, 2012 at 22:54
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I need it there instantly, like yesterday.
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