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Elan g! Training
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Post 16 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 09:34
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On February 26, 2012 at 01:44, SOUND.SD said...
My problem with Elan, C4, and any other "automation in a box" systems is that when the keypads start looking dated or are not up to current client wants / needs, the entire system has to be replaced.

I have always found it more effective, flexible, and efficient to use a control system with various control locations paired with the necessary hardware. Be it AV matrix, cameras, amps, lighting, etc. It allows you to use the best of the crop for each component. Just a better approach. Problem is guys constantly under bid by bidding this stuff that seems as powerful on demo but simply doesnt have the staying power.

this is not right at all. If you have a control4 system from 3 years ago, you can replace the old keypads with the new ones.
Are there faster processors now? Yes. Have any other major players released newer faster processors? Of course.
This does not require an entire new system.
Post 17 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 10:44
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On February 26, 2012 at 01:44, SOUND.SD said...
My problem with Elan, C4, and any other "automation in a box" systems is that when the keypads start looking dated or are not up to current client wants / needs, the entire system has to be replaced.

You need to spend more time with Elan g!.

I just updated an older "g!" system to a new processor, new touch screens, new remotes. All the other existing equipment remained the same.

More over I have yet to find a piece of gear that I cannot hook into the g! system with a little work.

So using the "best of the crop" isn't an issue.
Regards, Frederick C. Wilt
Post 18 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 12:15
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For those that are more familiar with Elan G!, what cameras are best to use with them that are easily supported?
Post 19 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 12:53
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On February 26, 2012 at 00:59, fcwilt said...
Why?

Cost.
Post 20 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 12:56
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On February 26, 2012 at 12:15, cgav said...
For those that are more familiar with Elan G!, what cameras are best to use with them that are easily supported?

I like the Panasonic ones. But you can use anything with an encoder.
Post 21 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 16:19
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On February 26, 2012 at 12:53, oprahthehutt. said...
Cost.

You think no touch screen would make a significant difference in price?
Regards, Frederick C. Wilt
Post 22 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 16:22
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On February 26, 2012 at 12:15, cgav said...
For those that are more familiar with Elan G!, what cameras are best to use with them that are easily supported?

Axis work well. My Panasonics are streaming but I have no pan/tilt/zoom control - something is not right.
Regards, Frederick C. Wilt
Post 23 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 16:42
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On February 26, 2012 at 16:19, fcwilt said...
You think no touch screen would make a significant difference in price?

The HR2 is pretty dang competitive on the price. And with just hard buttons, how would you select sources? I agree, I don't think the price difference would be enough to matter. But even if it was noticeable, the confusion it would add back to the system wouldn't be worth it.
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Post 24 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 17:02
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On February 26, 2012 at 16:19, fcwilt said...
You think no touch screen would make a significant difference in price?

Honestly I have no idea. I do know that RTI's T1B is quite a bit cheaper then a T2C, so based off of that I would say yes. It could be significant.

I am not sure why Elan could not create a similar remote, or why it would be confusing to press a hard button labeled "Cable" or Blu ray.

Again this would only be used in secondary zones, like a guest bed, or kids room. If its not half the cost though you are right it is not worth the effort.

Post 25 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 17:04
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Did you go through the integration note step by step? Is it a "supported" model number?
Post 26 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 19:18
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On February 26, 2012 at 17:04, oprahthehutt. said...
Did you go through the integration note step by step? Is it a "supported" model number?

Who are you asking?
Regards, Frederick C. Wilt
OP | Post 27 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 19:44
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On February 26, 2012 at 19:18, fcwilt said...
Who are you asking?

I thought it was fairly clear he was responding to you saying you are having an issue with your Panasonic camera. I am pretty sure that all Panasonic cameras are supported with the exception of one model that is a very expensive large camera used on commercial jobs. I do not know the model number of that camera though.
Post 28 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 21:14
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On February 26, 2012 at 19:44, goldenzrule said...
I thought it was fairly clear he was responding to you saying you are having an issue with your Panasonic camera.

Thanks - I wasn't sure.

Yes the models I use are listed as supported and I read the notes.

I will however go back and read them again to see if I overlooked anything.

They were part of the system that was upgraded from the older HomeLogic processor to the newest Elan g! HC4 processor. The cameras all worked fine before the upgrade.
Regards, Frederick C. Wilt
Post 29 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 21:41
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On February 26, 2012 at 21:14, fcwilt said...
Thanks - I wasn't sure.

Yes the models I use are listed as supported and I read the notes.

I will however go back and read them again to see if I overlooked anything.

They were part of the system that was upgraded from the older HomeLogic processor to the newest Elan g! HC4 processor. The cameras all worked fine before the upgrade.

Which version of g! Are you running? I know one of them had some minor glitches with the Panasonic driver, but they fixed it in an update.
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Post 30 made on Sunday February 26, 2012 at 21:53
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Well you re-learn something "new" everyday.

The Elan g! system allows you to specify a user name and password for each camera but (at least for the Panasonic cameras) doesn't use it for camera control.

So if you want to control the camera you MUST configure the Panasonic cameras for "guest" access - which I don't think is such a great idea but that is the way it is.

If you DO specify a user name and password both in Elan processor and the Panasonic camera, but no "guest" access, you can view the camera but not control it.

That seems kinda strange - when configuring the camera you have the same degree of control over what a user can do be it a "guest" user or a defined user.

I wonder why Elan chose to go the "guest" user route since both Elan and Panasonic support defined users???

In any case thanks for motivating me to go back to the app notes - I had forgotten about needing "guest" access.

Last edited by fcwilt on February 27, 2012 04:41.
Regards, Frederick C. Wilt
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