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New URC "entry" level computer programmable remote?
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Post 16 made on Thursday September 22, 2011 at 10:48
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As far as I have been lead to believe. The TRC-780 is made specifically for being a zone remote in a total control system and would use the mrx-10 to communicate to the total control system.

The MX-780 uses the same remote body but is an IR/RF remote for use in master remote situations to control say a home theater system and can use the standard URC bases but can be used with a MRX-1 for 2 way communication.

Both are programmed with a computer, bothlook the same appearance wise but differentiate in function
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Post 17 made on Thursday September 22, 2011 at 14:50
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So this is similar to the 810 >> 880 fiasco.

Build a great looking remote, but hamstring it with 1) bad programming software (810) or 2) make it only work with additional equipment (MRX-10) that a lot of people don't want or need (TRC-780).

So then come out with a remote that looks exactly the same, but programs/functions like people expect. In other words, its what URC should have done in the first place.

This of course is just MHO from a consumer point of view. I bought an 810 and hated the programming (I now have 3 880's) and I loved the look of the 780 (I think it was called an MS-780 when originally shown), but don't need/want the base station so I didn't buy one.

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Post 18 made on Thursday September 22, 2011 at 14:54
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guys it is very simple.  

if you want to purchase this remote as a stand alone, buy the MX780.  This is compatible with the Complete Control line of RF base stations (MRF260, MRF350, MRX1, MSC400)  

if you want to step into a Total Control system you purchase the TRC780 and an MRX10.  all the programming for Total Control is in the MRX10, so without it, you don't have a working system.


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Post 19 made on Thursday September 22, 2011 at 14:59
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After reading Bubby and the Ducted One, I see that it's simple, too --

If they had made the TRC780 able to be used as IR only, they could have saved some money, some confusion, and the $$$ that it costs everybody to get this sorted out.

rbhfan says:

As far as I have been lead to believe. The TRC-780 is made specifically for being a zone remote in a total control system and would use the mrx-10 to communicate to the total control system.

So, since it can be used as a zone remote, one can ignore its total control system capability and use it as a completely capable IR remote, right? In other words, it really DOES do what we'd want it to do and there's no need for a second model?
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Post 20 made on Thursday September 22, 2011 at 16:33
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On September 22, 2011 at 14:59, Ernie Gilman said...
After reading Bubby and the Ducted One, I see that it's simple, too --

If they had made the TRC780 able to be used as IR only, they could have saved some money, some confusion, and the $$$ that it costs everybody to get this sorted out.

rbhfan says:

So, since it can be used as a zone remote, one can ignore its total control system capability and use it as a completely capable IR remote, right? In other words, it really DOES do what we'd want it to do and there's no need for a second model?

One cannot ignore its Total Control system capability, because the TRC780 is completly useless without an MRX10 to tell it what to do.  I thought I made that clear in my last post.

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Post 21 made on Friday September 23, 2011 at 07:37
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Why would one specify or use an MX880 over the MX780 then? What advantage does the MX880 have over the MX780 for the increased price point?
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Post 22 made on Friday September 23, 2011 at 08:51
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I think the screen size is bigger on the 880. I saw both at CEDIA and the MX780 had a pretty small color screen.
Post 23 made on Friday September 23, 2011 at 09:18
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On September 23, 2011 at 07:37, FP Crazy said...
Why would one specify or use an MX880 over the MX780 then? What advantage does the MX880 have over the MX780 for the increased price point?

not sure, but i don't like the feel of the buttons on the 780.  the 880 has a much better feel IMO.

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Post 24 made on Friday September 23, 2011 at 10:11
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On September 23, 2011 at 07:37, FP Crazy said...
Why would one specify or use an MX880 over the MX780 then? What advantage does the MX880 have over the MX780 for the increased price point?

It's natively rechargeable.

As for the smaller screen, there are only 6 soft buttons vs. 8 on the 880 but for some devices, the 4 colored buttons make up for it.
Post 25 made on Friday September 23, 2011 at 12:51
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On September 22, 2011 at 16:33, Duct Tape said...
One cannot ignore its Total Control system capability, because the TRC780 is completly useless without an MRX10 to tell it what to do.  I thought I made that clear in my last post.

Actually, I still haven't got it straight.

I read here that the purpose of this remote is to be a zone remote. Note that whenever I say "zone" from here out, I do not mean the main zone, but, for instance, a small system in a bedroom.

As such, I expect (that is the same as "assume" and thus completely subject to error) that it will be able to emit IR signals in the zone, while also using RF to communicate with the MRX10 for commands that involve the system.

You say it's "completely useless without an MRX10 to tell it what to do." That says to me that it does not emit IR but instead, somehow, when in a zone, must send a signal to the MRX10, which sends a signal back to it to tell it "that's a command for the amp in front of you, so emit some IR." Otherwise, it's a zone remote but the MRX10 must be wired to the zone so that IR signals can come from the MRX10 to that room.

Or something else. How does this work?
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Post 26 made on Friday September 23, 2011 at 12:59
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On September 23, 2011 at 12:51, Ernie Gilman said...
Actually, I still haven't got it straight.

I read here that the purpose of this remote is to be a zone remote. Note that whenever I say "zone" from here out, I do not mean the main zone, but, for instance, a small system in a bedroom.

As such, I expect (that is the same as "assume" and thus completely subject to error) that it will be able to emit IR signals in the zone, while also using RF to communicate with the MRX10 for commands that involve the system.

You say it's "completely useless without an MRX10 to tell it what to do." That says to me that it does not emit IR but instead, somehow, when in a zone, must send a signal to the MRX10, which sends a signal back to it to tell it "that's a command for the amp in front of you, so emit some IR." Otherwise, it's a zone remote but the MRX10 must be wired to the zone so that IR signals can come from the MRX10 to that room.

Or something else. How does this work?

The TRC780 does not send IR signals out of it.  it sends and receives data via RF to the MRX10.  All the programming for the system is done in the MRX10.  

The TRC780 does have a built in IR output, but as of now, you cannot use it.  I do suspect that one day they will enable the IR output in the TRC780.  They are supposed to be releasing small room control boxes that you can mount behind a TV to control the TV without running more wires.  

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Post 27 made on Friday September 23, 2011 at 14:34
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 I don't understand the confusion

TRC780
*Total Control Only
*Has IR but is disabled
*requires MRX10

MX780
*Complete Control Program(CCP) programable
*Same form factor as TRC780
*Has IR that is NOT disabled therefore can send IR to TV or any other IR controlled device
*will work with MRF260, MRF350, MRX1, MSC400

did I miss anything?


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Post 28 made on Friday September 23, 2011 at 15:15
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On September 23, 2011 at 14:34, scottedge267 said...
 
did I miss anything?



I guess, just a clarification of what was meant above, yes, by somebody else, when the TRC was called a "zone remote."
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 29 made on Friday September 23, 2011 at 15:27
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On September 23, 2011 at 14:34, scottedge267 said...
 I don't understand the confusion

TRC780
*Total Control Only
*Has IR but is disable
*requires MRX10

MX780
*Complete Control Program(CCP) programable
*Same form factor as TRC780
*Has IR that is NOT disabled therefore can send IR to TV or any other IR controlled device
*will work with MRF260, MRF350, MRX1, MSC400

did I miss anything?



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Post 30 made on Friday September 23, 2011 at 16:00
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On September 23, 2011 at 15:15, Ernie Gilman said...
I guess, just a clarification of what was meant above, yes, by somebody else, when the TRC was called a "zone remote."

I don't know how total control works or is programmed so I have no idea. It sounds like URC is programing total control based on zones and requiring a MRX10 in each zone. But I don't know. I am excited about the MX780. I don't understand the backlash about the TRC780 either. Total Control is a different product category and it sounds like IR may be enabled at some point.

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