A customer of mine already has a VSX-49TXi Pioneer Receiver. I am not having any luck with the technical info for the mult-room remote-in port on the back. The manual specifies a MR-100 IR receiver and the setup allows you to choose this IR receiver or "other". The MR 100 is not even listed in the Accessories under the pioneer website. I wasted a half an hour in that useless pioneerelectronics.com site.
Would anyone here have any experience with this or similar ELITE receivers? Is this Xantech or Niles compatible? Can I plug in IR direct from the connecting block, like a H&K receiver?
I have found the same codes from the pioneer remote work the second zone, the IR is just routed internally to control the second zone thru this IR port. I am trying to switch Video only sources for a preview screen on the Control panel using the Pioneer VSX-49TXi as a sort of matrix switch.
BTW, the i-link to the DVD player works Great! It took a while to set everything correctly.

Yes, any IR brain will work. I have used niles and xantech.

Check out a Xantech 794/797 Interface module. I believe you need a 3 conductor mini cable between the P.E. and the Xantech. You will also have to run a ground from the two pieces as well. You will get a lot more support through Xantech than through Pioneer. My boss's brother works for Pioneer and that does not even get us any better help. Once in a while you might get lucky with some decent help through there 800 # and a 20 minute wait.

Good luck,

Roddy

Thank you both for the quick replies. The jack is the "green" one and the Xantech literature says a 794 interface is not needed. IT looks like the xantech will connect to most anything. Nice piece for reference.
Does the Pioneer use a three conductor jack like the Xantech (grnd, power, signal)? or is it a two conductor 3.5mm? Does a Xantech 291-10 just plug in?

The Pioneer does use a 3 conductor cable and Xantech and Pioneer said to use the 794. We had a couple of them in the shop, so I threw 1 in and it worked fine. I have not tried the mutiroom input straight to the 291.

In how many zones do you want to be able to control the multi-room unit?

Roddy

For further info, The Xantech 291-10 is not directly compatible and the receiver does not respond to direct IR input forms. I was doing some trials today with some equipment I brought. I have ordered a 794 and will give it a try next week. I wish the Pioneer receiver was designed a little different, like the H&K stuff. I would be done by now.
roddymcg, There really is not a true second zone. I am only using the second zone Video output of the receiver to feed video to a Touch panel controller. The purpose is to be able to preview and get past all the BullS&*t on most DVDs on one player, while the other DVD player is projecting a intro DVD.

Lost first post, gotta try again.

The difference bewteen pioneer and others in the setup of the rcvr is if the rcvr supplies power or not. The rcvr and the elusive mr100 run off 5 volts, so the rcvr won't power a 29110 etc.

You do not need the 794 to make this work. You just need a 3 conductor (stereo) mini cable and your ir system. I use a zc21 and a 78944 in these situations. the zc21 has two inputs and three outputs. The local input gets the local ir and the local output gets an emitter run to the front of the rcvr, the other input gets the multi room and then its output gets the 3 conductor mini run to the back of the rcvr, the common output gets a mono mini run to a 78944 where the rest of the emitters hookup, then they have control over everything from anywhere. You may have to do a rcvr reset a few times, but once done i have never had a service call on this setup.

One other thing

I just bought a vsx59txi for myself, and all the multiroom functions work from the front panel, no need for this crazy rear input ir stuff on the new elite rcvrs. No zone 2 discreet on off but that is a matter of time.

Can you control the Multiroom output from the Remote control pointed at the Front panel? I know there are multiroom buttons for on/off and control under the flip door. It appears to use the same IR codes.
Your xantech equipment description makes sense and looks to work well in a true multiroom setup. My set up is a little different. I would like to know if the Pioneer Elite receivers use the same wiring configuration for the port as Xantech does? I could not get a diagram for the Pioneer from any website so far.
Was your hookup the Sleeve=12v, Ring=Ground, Tip=Signal?
Xantech does make a 5v IR receiver called the 2133 for the OPENHOUSE line. I will try and get one of those to try too.
I will back there on Tuesday with a 3 conductor 3.5mm male connector to see which conductor has the 5V.
Thanks for your help on this subject. Are you enjoying the new 59TXi? Do you have the i-link utilized? That receiver is BEAST! Back-breaking heavy.
I found the 49TXi worked well with the automatic acoustic calibration.

#1 No you cannot access multiroom from the remote pointed at the front panel on a 49txi (this is what i was saying you now CAN do with the 59txi). It does use the same ir codes. Seems kinda strange to us, but it makes sense to every customer for which i have installed one.

#2 I have not tried any 5v ir rcvrs, if you have no ir system for the main room then you do not need to zc21 and can pull it off with 78944, 3 emitters (for other equipment) and a stereo mini cable, this is so inexpensive and readily available that i would forget trying to use the 5v stuff which i imagine will have distance problems if you are splitting it to multiple locations and/or have long wire runs.

#3 I beleive your 'pin out' is correct, i couldn't find it anywhere myslef, but when i tested it i remember it was standard and what you posted is as well.

#4 The 59Txi is an amazing rcvr way ahead of its comeptitors with pro setup capabilities like reverb measurements/compensation and individual eq settings per channel as well as a whole lot more that i didn't even know was there. I will get my DVD 59avi wed. and will use the i link AND the hdmi, can't wait to see the 1080 output. And it is heavy you are right.

I have been working on a VSX-45tx pos.

You wouldn't mind splaining how to make the Xantech 78944 work with this for multiroom? Ultimately I need to IR route an MX-850 system into it.

Does the stereo plug go directly from the emitter out to the back of the VSX-45?
I am assuming that I would stick the emitter from the MRF-250 (the ir router for the MX-850) onto the Xantech receiver.

Also, do I set the Multiroom position on the Pioneer to "Other" or "Pioneer"?

I've spent an embarrassingly long time fussing with this thing. Any further explanation would be greatly appreciated

Steve

correction: stereo plug = mini stereo plug from the emitter out to the multiroom in of the VSX-45.

thx

steve

The 45TX is a PITA. Splice the wire from the MRF-250 and wire it directly to the connecting block, use signal and ground. Similar to wiring a sensor without the 5v. Don't us the IR receiver port. Use a 1/8" stereo mini plug from the xantech emitter port to the 45TX. Set the 45TX to "other". After coming out of the menu. Turn off the 45TX then unplug it for 5-10 minutes and see if it works. A UPS for the 45TX would be well worth it. If the 45TX loses power for a second you will have to unplug it for 5-10 minutes again.

Bob

Stop the press!!!!

Use on amono mini plug - stereo will freak it out. I have one at home and went down that learning curve. the xantech stuff wotrks 100% without any interpretor.

ill see if i can find the technical bulliten and email it

The 45TX uses a stereo plug. It is used to feed 5v to Pioneer IR receiceiver and then the menu must be set 'Pioneer'. You set the 45TX to 'other' and use a stereo plug. Here is the bulletin.

[Link: xantech.com]

BTW, I think this only refers to the 45TX and not other Pioneer models. And it takes a lot longer than 5-10 seconds to reset the port. YMMV, but it took at least several minutes.

Bob