People with experience have already told you this. Stop trying to say all because the data is re-tansmitted the electrical signal will be clean without noise. They have already discussed this and linked to papers that showed all the devices and connections can affect the signal. Heres the conclusions by my observations.

Capacitance and impedance cause some of the HDMI problems and aren't characteristics that are transmitted they are part of the circuit.

Problems can occur between any of the individual transmitter/receiver connections.

Impedance, capacitance, noise, etc. can affect the chain of components but not a single connection. Because some things can have a cumulative effect.

There are some corrections devices that can be used to solve some of these problems. Brent sells them.

There is no relatively inexpensive equipment that can be used to easily determine what is causing the problem. Hopefully, in the future.

Circuits can be designed to isolate the the electrical noises and correct impedance and capacitance. Inexpensively? NO. At some point it boils down to money.

Next weeks debate, s-video

crosen is not claiming that what happens in the AVR is the one and only issue in the signal path. He is simply trying to discuss whether the signal is passed through the AVR exactly as it comes in or whether it is regenerated within the AVR. From my reading of this thread, it seems like that is still an unresolved question. If I read this correctly, Brent is saying it is not regenerated and BobL and crosen believe it is, based on documentation that has been previously referenced. It would be helpful if anyone has definitive information on the regeneration issue. The other issues (loss in connectors, capacitance, etc.) are real issues, but are separate from the issue of the AVR regenerating the signal.

dtc is exactly correct.


Not only did I never assert this, I actually asserted the opposite in post 105:

"If the AVR creates a new signal, there is no guarantee that this signal is as good as the signal it received. It could be better. It could be the same. It could be worse. The BD player may be generating a better signal (meaning a cleaner mask) than the AVR. "

Signal loss is a very real thing, and that has not been debated in this discussion.

The only question being debated, as dtc highlights, is what architecture is being used in the AVRs: does is regenerate a new data stream or simply pass through what it receives?

I feel this question is significant because it guides us about how the rules of signal loss do or do not apply in a given system. Others do not agree the answer would provide such guidance. Debating the significance of the question is a worthwhile discussion that is likely to shed light on effective HDMI configuration and troubleshooting practices, but trying to resolve both issues in the same thread at the same time may be a bit much.

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Played this and The Rodeo Song on the jukebox after softball games in the '90s. Got several complaints about it, too.

Good times!

I hope you guys realize that this thread is over four years old. Surely by now everything that can be said about HDMI has been said, and all the problems have been solved.

really...................the only way to solve all of the HDMI issues will be to replace it.

Oh yeah.....that way they can replace it with something more complicated that doesn't work....engineers.....they should have stayed driving trains......