Just got done installing a Fujitsu 50" plasma (P50XHA10US)along with a Samsung HD satellite receiver (SIRTS160). I'm getting alot of pixilation and tiling on the entire screen, but it's much more noticable around the outside edges of the picture. I'm running component video and the picture looks great when it'being sent a high definition signal, but looks terrible with NTSC. I've installed 2 other 50" Fujitsu plasmas this last year and used the same Samsung satellite receiver and did not have this problem.

Any ideas on what could be causing this issue would be great.

More compression from DirecTV as they add more locals. The problem with a plasma is it reveals everything, both good and bad in the original source.

How do we fix this compression problem? Any Ideas?

Why would it effect compression coming from a seperate satellite? Locals are on the 101 bird while HD channels are on the 119.

, he said HD was fine, but regular NTSC looked like crap. As more programing is added to a satellite, more compression. Also the compression is not constant. Premium stations like HBO, Showtime, Starz get better treatment then CNN, ESPN, or HSN.

Compression has to do with the amount of users on DirecTV's network. As there are more subscribers the more it degrades thier service. "We" can not help that. Only DirecTV can by upgrading thier end. As for the seperate Sats. The network is the network. Each sat points different ways. One way or the other the more people on the network, the worse it gets. This has been a problem with NTSC signals since satellite has been popular (especially plasma). If basic NTSC programming was good, you would see your local best buy and circuit city putting that on thier demos. Greg C hit it on the head with plasma. Most plasmas (especially Fujitsu) is hungry. Hungry for good food. Give it good food and it will produce. Give it bad food, it will show you how it feels. Besides HD Net HAIL HD Cable. My 2 cents.

That makes absolutely no sense to me. I'm not saying you are wrong, because I really don't know, but I don't see why 1 dish versus 1 million dishes would make any difference. To me, that's like saying that if you had 5 million people out suntanning, that the sun would be less powerful than if 500 people were suntanning.

I agree w/ McNasty, we need a better explanation.

Yes please explain this one JMAV..We all know about compression..And I always understood it to be Directtv compresing the least important video channels,to save bandwidth for the more popular ones..As for your explanation on my end..I spent some time (5 years) in the Army in communications and your theory would tell me that Everyone in the US is transmitting to the Bird and by doing so is somehow damaging its signal quality..Knowing this if we were transmitting enough to corrupt quality of the transmission being fed to the bird by DirectTV why are some channels bothered and not others?? Older Transponders??on those channels??See now I am not making sense..When you also factor in that both DirectTV and the subscribers are never really off line,and how long before we fry this Bird..This is an actual problem on military birds where they must get permission to increase or decrease power as NOT to fry the bird..

Bird=Sat for people not on the com. lingo..



THXRick

Ah!! I broke the code.

Think of it as sound at XX level. Think of "we" as carpet 2" square tiles. The more tiles the more sound absorption.

Wait! Does that really work? Let me get back to you!



This message was edited by DavidatAVX on 01/03/04 20:24.

As I mentioned before, I don't remember the other two Fujitsu units giving me this tiling problem. Granted the NTSC picture is not top notch, but it didn't have this extreme tiling problem. I'm surprised that this hasn't been an issue with more installers on this site. Is everyone directing their clients to use cable these days, especially when installing plasmas?

If I direct my clients to switch to cable, the next issue will be how to deal with the year subscription to Direct TV.

i ve also ran into this problem recently. Most of the hook ups i've done in the past year have been with the samsung ts-160 and either a 40 or 50 inch fujitsu. recently i had a customer who already had the new sony xbr plasma and this was the first time i noticed the picture problem. At first I thought it was the plasma so i brought the reciever back to the shop and hooked it up to a fujitsu and still had the same problem. Then i thought it was a bad sat reciever, so i changed that and still has the problem. My next step was going to be to try the sony reciever. Then i was looking at the 20" lcd he had in his kitchen hooked up to a sd sony box and that also had the same issue. ??????What the f#$#@!!!

I've also ran into this problem a few times and i haven't found any ways to fix it. It is obviously Directv's problem but the customer doesn't want to hear that their $9000 TV looks bad when watching TV which is only about 90% of their viewing!!

Guys, the bottom line is when an analog station looks bad on a plasma, there's nothing that can be done. That's why they call it lossy compression. Once the information is lost due to over-compression, it's lost. There's nothing any of us can do about incoming services, all we can do is display them with as little further degradation as possible. So don't waste any billable time trying to make it look better, because the customer won't want to pay when you are unsuccessful...which you WILL be. Like the old saying goes, you can't polish a turd.

DirecTV doesn't care about the minority that have digital TVs, they know that the majority have old analog sets connected with RF, and still use the word "clicker". And if they can tell what Vanna White is wearing that night, they're happy. DirecTV will continue to add more stations not by launching more birds, but by cramming more into the existing bandwidth.

And as for the theory that more viewers degrade the picture, that's simply wrong. You'd have the same picture even if you were the only one in the country with a receiver on at the time. Now, if this were Cable we were talking about, you'd be right.

- Doug

This message was edited by deb1919 on 01/04/04 08:26.

Let me take a SWAG (scientific wild ass guess) at this. I don't think the problem is entirely due to compression although that does degrade the picture quality. I think it has to do with the lines of resolution. When you send a hi-def 1080i signal to your plasma it can scale it appropriately for it's particular pixel count. When you send it half as many lines, I think the internal scalar gets reaaally confused. I think what you need to do is line double the NTSC signal before it goes to the plasma to achieve an "HD like" signal. If this works, send money.