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| Topic: | Flat Panel TV Electrical Outlet This thread has 45 replies. Displaying posts 16 through 30. |
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| OP | Post 16 made on Sunday May 9, 2010 at 13:20 |
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Here in Florida there are is a high voltage license and a low voltage license. In order to do any type of high voltage electrical installations it is required to carry a high voltage license.
We recently obtained a high voltage license and have been installing the necessary outlets and light switches. But, before we obtained this license, we teamed up with a local licensed electrical contractor to take care of all of our electrical needs.
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| Post 17 made on Monday May 10, 2010 at 00:42 |
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In ct things are very strict . I always use a licensed electrical contractor. I cut the hole and send a snake down so his work is very quick. My helper is always saying i could do the same thing . I'm not risking it I can sleep good at night not having to worry about it . I not paying the $200 bucks the client is . Most understand Why risk there safety and the insurance company not paying your claim because you had a unlicensed person doing the work if you have a fire.
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| Post 18 made on Friday November 24, 2017 at 19:20 |
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On May 8, 2010 at 19:15, SB Smarthomes said...
There are two electrical classifications in California. C7 Low voltage (not to exceed 91v) and C10 Electrical which covers everything else electrical including the low voltage.
In the last 3-4 years they've really tightened up the requirements for the C10 license. You either have to have 4800hrs (residential) or 8000hrs (commercial) experience to qualify to take the exam, or have been enrolled in an approved training/apprentice program. Electrical contractors used to be able to allow unlicensed employees to work under them if they had a qualified license holder within the company who would be responsible for the work. This is no longer true and EVERY contractor doing high voltage electrical work either needs to be licensed or enrolled as an apprentice at one of the qualified schools.
The key for California CIs licensed for low voltage (C7) is a clause which states the following: "If a specialty contractor has a contract for a certain job, he may do work other than that which he is licensed for if it is subordinate to and inseparable from the main contract work".
I take it to mean that I can install an outlet behind a tv or replace a couple light switches if it's part of a home theater install, or patch and paint a few small holes that I created to retrofit wiring.
I do partner with several C10 contractors that I'll bring in for jobs like whole-house automated lighting where the job includes installing or swapping out more than 2-3 switches, but I don't have a problem installing a power bridge type solution or extending an outlet behind a TV.
If I ever have any question about what or how to do something, I bring in an electrician. Paul, you copy and paster. 😊 [Link: cocoontech.com]
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| Post 19 made on Friday November 24, 2017 at 19:50 |
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o.O did you just necro a thread from 2010 to call out a C&P from 2007?
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| Post 20 made on Friday November 24, 2017 at 20:49 |
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So much time has passed I had no idea what the post was, but took a look at the link to Cocoontech (dang... haven't been there for years).
Looks like I copied and pasted my own post, so guess I was just saving some time instead of typing out the same response to a similar question here...
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| Post 21 made on Saturday November 25, 2017 at 00:44 |
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I was researching California law about this topic and a Google search brought up both of these threads. Just thought it was humorous... No harm intended. Actually was super impressed that you remembered typing up a response 3 years earlier to the same question and has the wherewithal to find it....and it worked.
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| Post 22 made on Saturday November 25, 2017 at 00:46 |
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On November 24, 2017 at 19:50, Impaqt said...
o.O did you just necro a thread from 2010 to call out a C&P from 2007? Why yes. Yes I did. Thought it would get a chuckle in this uptight place. o_O guess I was wrong. Proceed...
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| Post 23 made on Saturday November 25, 2017 at 10:49 |
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You won't like this, but I just cannot understand how you could be afraid of starting a fire when putting in an outlet. Yes, I have electrician friends that do electrical for me, but really?
Once you have learned not to simply stuff the wires into a wire nut and hope they will stay, you are probably beyond what many general contractors do already. General contractors will often have their "guys" run the electrical around the house. I have accidentally kicked a piece of Romex in an attic and had the wiring pop out of the wire nut. This was in a gc's own house! I did him a favor and grabbed my electricians pliers and twisted it multiple times, so the twists run 2x into the insulated portion. Then the wire nut is attached, and it will never cause an issue.
I do not get the paranoia about starting a fire by putting in an electrical outlet. Are you really that inept?
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| Post 24 made on Saturday November 25, 2017 at 12:01 |
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On November 25, 2017 at 10:49, tomciara said...
You won't like this, but I just cannot understand how you could be afraid of starting a fire when putting in an outlet. Yes, I have electrician friends that do electrical for me, but really?
I do not get the paranoia about starting a fire by putting in an electrical outlet. Are you really that inept? The unspoken subject here is not ineptitude or fear, but liability. I helped a fire inspector work through tbe possible causes of a retail store fire (AV sales where I had engineered all tbe demo wiring). The cause came to be listed as probably of some electrical orjgin, unknown. Now if an improperly licensed "electrician" had been involved, he might be blamed or at least suspected.
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| Post 25 made on Sunday November 26, 2017 at 10:41 |
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On November 25, 2017 at 10:49, tomciara said...
You won't like this, but I just cannot understand how you could be afraid of starting a fire when putting in an outlet. Yes, I have electrician friends that do electrical for me, but really?
Once you have learned not to simply stuff the wires into a wire nut and hope they will stay, you are probably beyond what many general contractors do already. General contractors will often have their "guys" run the electrical around the house. I have accidentally kicked a piece of Romex in an attic and had the wiring pop out of the wire nut. This was in a gc's own house! I did him a favor and grabbed my electricians pliers and twisted it multiple times, so the twists run 2x into the insulated portion. Then the wire nut is attached, and it will never cause an issue.
I do not get the paranoia about starting a fire by putting in an electrical outlet. Are you really that inept? The GC's house had a bare splice? Did you leave it as a bare splice, or put it in a junction box? If you didn't and a fire results, you might be on the hook- you have probably heard of the concept of 'Last Hands', right? It would be a case of accusation and denial, but it would be better to make the problem known and ask how they want to address it than leave a splice that violates NEC and local codes. It's not fear of doing the work, it's the issue of doing work that specifically falls on the electrician- installing a receptacle that's hot when the breaker is in the ON position and can't easily be disconnected in the even of a problem (yes, the breaker can be flipped, but fires frequently spread because the people panicked and forgot where the panel is, didn't know or just ran out screaming). If someone isn't licensed, a local/state code may allow them to install a TV receptacle (outlet) that's connected to wiring inside of a junction box, but it needs to be specifically stated. In some places, a power inlet and a power outlet is acceptable practice because it can be disconnected by pulling the hot end out of the power source (other outlet, power strip, etc) and the inlet is fed by an extension cord.
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| Post 26 made on Sunday November 26, 2017 at 10:42 |
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On November 25, 2017 at 12:01, Ernie Gilman said...
The unspoken subject here is not ineptitude or fear, but liability. I helped a fire inspector work through tbe possible causes of a retail store fire (AV sales where I had engineered all tbe demo wiring). The cause came to be listed as probably of some electrical orjgin, unknown. Now if an improperly licensed "electrician" had been involved, he might be blamed or at least suspected. Did the inspector know you "engineered" the demo wiring? You should have been eliminated as a person to help in this- you weren't a disinterested party.
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| Post 27 made on Sunday November 26, 2017 at 17:15 |
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So in light of all the add-an-outlet paranoia, for you who have spoken out, do you hire an electrician for such incidental work in your own home?
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| Post 28 made on Sunday November 26, 2017 at 18:25 |
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On November 26, 2017 at 17:15, tomciara said...
So in light of all the add-an-outlet paranoia, for you who have spoken out, do you hire an electrician for such incidental work in your own home? I did for some, because the remodel required the kitchen to be brought up to meet code and since the place was built in 1946, it was far from that and the job required a permit for other work. It's bad enough that the electrician who was part of the garage didn't wire it to code, but the ass-pipe didn't pull a permit. Then, the inspector showed up while was working out there, so it would have been difficult to tell him to leave and have that work, so..... I figured it would be a good time to see if the all of the extra wiring passed, so I asked if he wanted to go ahead and do the inspection. This was after asking if he'd be willing to tack the garage work onto the HVAC permit (the new one needed its own fused circuit and the old unit didn't need that since it was a gravity furnace), so he did and that's when he found the things that needed to be fixed. He liked the 'extra' wiring and even complimented it. OTOH, he didn't know what the speaker wires were that went directly from the stereo to the speakers, so.....Made some nice comments about the new wiring and conduit bends for the lights in the basement, too. Seemed like he had a REALLY good time in the '60s, if you know what I mean.
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| Post 29 made on Sunday November 26, 2017 at 21:35 |
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I wired my whole house. I have zero concern for liability, fear, nothing.
I have zero issue adding a plug to a tv for a customer either. Yes, i said that in a public forum. I have redone some licensed electricians work as well as it was atrocious, wrong and dangerous. A license means NOTHING if they have no freaking idea how to do things right.
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| Post 30 made on Sunday November 26, 2017 at 22:22 |
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I had a C7 in Cali as well and wired plenty of outlets and switches. Best I can tell the world is still revolving. When I had my own gig in CO I did the same. Most of my guys are afraid of high voltage so I just hire an electrician to get it over and done with. I don't have the time to add this to my list of things to do these day.
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