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| Topic: | The NEXT Great Debate? This thread has 8 replies. Displaying all posts. |
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| Post 1 made on Wednesday December 10, 2003 at 08:59 |
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Ok...round three!
Physics buffs...practical theorists, etc....here we go!
Which is BETTER and/or MORE ACCURATE in reprododucing sound the way the artist intended, STRANDED interconnects and speaker wires, or SOLID single conductor interconnects and speaker wire?
I have seen many demonstrations as to both, but now I'm curious what YOU all think...
So let's get rady to rumble!
avdude
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| Post 2 made on Wednesday December 10, 2003 at 11:08 |
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Are the strands in the stranded wire round, rectangular or relatively flat and are they individually insulated or are they crushed together? Also are they copper, silver, silver plated, and oxygen free. Is there nitrogen in the insulation or what. Please describe.to be specific, you know there are all kinds of different wire in the catagory you describe. I thought that you guys were using 18 gauge zip cord now. Seriously, avdude, aren't you too busy to moderate debates?
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| OP | Post 3 made on Wednesday December 10, 2003 at 11:30 |
avdude Founding Member |
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Shoe all good questions...maybe we'll get those answers here...that WAS the point, I'm just curious.
And when I'm working on blueprints and bids, like I've been doing ALOT of lately, it's easy to glance up once and a while and hit the net...only takes a minute anyway!
And I am not using (nor would I) 18 gauge ZipCord for anything other than a table lamp. Don't know where you got that idea. My preferred install wire of choice is 16 Gauge Audacious Audio (Genesis) 95%OFC
avdude
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| Post 4 made on Wednesday December 10, 2003 at 12:45 |
FRR Advanced Member |
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Hey, Genesis has a cable that they call "Heavy Duty Zipcord" and is in-wall approved, 95% OFC. The 14 gauge stuff is a 105 stranded cable and the 16 gauge stuff is a 65 strand cable. It's basically their Audacious Audio cable in a zipcord format. Great for those non-in-wall installations.
Like avdude, my preferred install wire is the Genesis 16 gauge Audacious Audio cable.
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| Post 5 made on Wednesday December 10, 2003 at 18:36 |
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| Post 6 made on Wednesday December 10, 2003 at 20:37 |
EngineerFriend Long Time Member |
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It JUST doesn't matter. All the things you guys mention are real (skin effect, resistance, etc.) but at audio frequencies the differences are fractions of a percent. Please check out www.ecoustics.com for actual calculations. At DC current is equally distributed through a wire (anybody disagree?). As frequency increases skin effect will increase resistance. At 20khz the increase is about .03%. This means that wire with nominal resistance of about 0.1ohm will increase to 0.1003ohm. Wire is stranded to make it more flexible, that is all.
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| Post 7 made on Thursday December 11, 2003 at 10:02 |
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So, EF are you part of the multiple pairs of cat5 twisted together crowd over at the Asylum ( [Link: audioasylum.com]). And if so, how do they sound compared to other cables.
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| Post 8 made on Thursday December 11, 2003 at 17:32 |
Ted Wetzel Founding Member |
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Sorry, I just don't see this as the next great debate. we've been through it extensively the past few weeks. Rarely do we need anything over 16 gauge in what ever flavor you choose (as long as it meets code). I like the 14ga proflex myself. easy to work with, even on cold pre-wires and heavy enough gauge to be reasonable loss over a 70' run directly to the speakers. Of course if there is an impedance matching VC then 16 ga. would be more than adequate.
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| Post 9 made on Friday December 12, 2003 at 07:43 |
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On 12/11/03 10:02, FRR said...
So, EF are you part of the multiple pairs of cat5 twisted together crowd over at the Asylum ( [Link: audioasylum.com]). No. Those guys are nuts.
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