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| Topic: | Apple TV 3.0 - wow. This thread has 42 replies. Displaying posts 16 through 30. |
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| Post 16 made on Friday October 30, 2009 at 08:55 |
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IMO, the new interface is much better, I don't understand the gizmodo guy's gripe.
The internet radio feature is very cool.
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| Post 17 made on Friday October 30, 2009 at 10:00 |
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I put it through its paces last night. Not a huge overhaul, but some nice new candy. I can confirm that iTunes LP albums work great. On-screen CD booklets and on-screen lyrics while the song is playing as well as whatever other goodies they add to the LP package. Overall I really like it.
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| Post 18 made on Friday October 30, 2009 at 14:08 |
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I wish they'd come out with an aTV that has an internal fan. Those things run as hot or hotter than Cable Boxes!
Like the recent upgrades though.
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"If it keeps up, man will atrophy all his limbs but the push-button finger."
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| Post 19 made on Friday October 30, 2009 at 22:45 |
Tom Ciaramitaro Super Member |
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On October 30, 2009 at 14:08, Mr. Stanley said...
I wish they'd come out with an aTV that has an internal fan. Those things run as hot or hotter than Cable Boxes!
It's pretty short sighted. Something running at 140 degrees is going to have a short lifespan. Heat dries out electrolytic capacitors and ages circuit boards. I would interpret that as a design feature on their part.
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| Post 20 made on Saturday October 31, 2009 at 02:12 |
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I'm glad everyone is happy!
I'm still jaded from my attempted upgrade on my month old i-touch!!!
I paid for the "upgrade",it "bricked" my i-touch and I had to jump through hoops.
I made several attempts!
I wasted a TON of time just to get it back to were it was before I started.
Still no paid for update!
I doubt that I'll attempt another "upgrade" from anything apple,much less purchase another product from them, in the near future(unless I need a space heater)........not enough hours in the day!
Did I mention that I was jaded?
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| Post 21 made on Saturday October 31, 2009 at 20:27 |
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the only problem i see with the 3.0 update
is that its not worthy of a full point upgrade.
it would have been great as a 2.5 upgrade as said before.
it makes the outlook for the ATV looks slightly more grim
as if this is a major upgrade, it isnt very promising.
im hoping 3.1 is more exciting.
(3.01 will probably be bug fixes etc)
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| Post 22 made on Saturday October 31, 2009 at 21:03 |
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As with everything Apple my experiences have been largely negative. As a DIY device it has its place. But it works by using network broadcasts, incrasing network traffic needlessly. It allows a user to have AppleTV play via speakers and TV, which may seem cool but cost me too many man hours before we deduced that it was user error. I have no way in AppleTV to turn this off.
Sure, if it's your system go get 'um. But in almost every case it has cost far too many man hours working around its issues and problems. I don't sell it. If I did I'd make no money on it and despite the promise of itunes integraton and video downloads it costs too much time to figure out the crap a client can do that will bite you in the ass and network broadcasts ( kaleidescape does this too ) are a no, no.
Alan
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| Post 23 made on Saturday October 31, 2009 at 21:18 |
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I recently did an Apple TV for a customer. Ran into a few problems initially. QUITE a few.
It's working now, but has had to been re-booted a few times since.
Fortunately the guys at the Genius Bar were helpful.
Just another "Install for Jesus" as I lost money on all the legwork.
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| Post 24 made on Sunday November 1, 2009 at 09:20 |
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On October 31, 2009 at 21:03, Audible Solutions said...
As with everything Apple my experiences have been largely negative. As a DIY device it has its place. But it works by using network broadcasts, incrasing network traffic needlessly. It allows a user to have AppleTV play via speakers and TV, which may seem cool but cost me too many man hours before we deduced that it was user error. I have no way in AppleTV to turn this off.
Sure, if it's your system go get 'um. But in almost every case it has cost far too many man hours working around its issues and problems. I don't sell it. If I did I'd make no money on it and despite the promise of itunes integraton and video downloads it costs too much time to figure out the crap a client can do that will bite you in the ass and network broadcasts ( kaleidescape does this too ) are a no, no.
Alan
Do you own one at home?
I have not had the same issues as you have had or I would have posted the same. Ethernet based sources should have IT contracts involved. Mine needs to be revised too.
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| Post 25 made on Sunday November 1, 2009 at 11:57 |
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apple tv's should be hard wired
as should almost every network capable device you have.
you should also have a gigabit network..
apple tv is not for old folks.
maybe get a good old dvd player and enjoy.
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| Post 26 made on Sunday November 1, 2009 at 16:06 |
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On November 1, 2009 at 09:20, GotGame said...
Do you own one at home?
I have not had the same issues as you have had or I would have posted the same. Ethernet based sources should have IT contracts involved. Mine needs to be revised too.
I own nothing Apple. Both of my daughters own iPods. Client turns on the Theater to AppleTV. No sound. But there is sound in the office. What the %$##? How the hell? 4 hours later, remote testing the system and I cannot find any reason in code to explain any of this. And there is no issue in code once the tech goes on site. AppleTV failed to send digital out till it was rebooted. %#*&^%$###ing piece of &^%$#@.
And what of the theater remote turning on the office? There is a setting in iTunes that lets you set audio out from AppleTV simultaneously from your PC and your TV. Client has a PC output, for a variety of reasons including basic PC applications, but also iTunes. Often he has white noise playing and forgets to turn it off. Someone ( client ) uses the setting in iTunes to set AppleTV to both PC and TV and when it was turned on in the Theater guess where else it turned on?
Now it's obvious. We found the setting. But 4 hours of staring at code, and a service call to deal with something that ought not to happen save that the idiots at Apple don't understand that some things are complicated. Try and charge for this. The client will claim he never set the system this way. And though I don't own an AppleTV POS I can tell you that like all Apple products they use broadcasts to communicate. This simplifies things on Apple's end but it really sucks on a residential network, particularly if you control system doesn't like this much traffic ( as is the case with Crestron. ). Add Vudu, a client with 6 people working from his office, multiple Squeezeboxes, lots of touch panel traffic in a very crowded RF environment and you might come to understand why I dislike a product that needs constant reboots ( it drops its digital connection ), increases network traffic and allows the client to use iTunes to screw it up.
Yes, I can change my contract but till labor is entirely T&M it's a fight and a fight you are not apt to win. As for the reboot comments, both the salespuke responsible for AppleTV being on the job and the PM both have this POS and both deal with constant reboots. Vudu? Never; or so rarely it could be never. By the way, network is gigabyte with multiple vLANs. The problem is Apple. The problem will always be Apple. The problem is Apple wants to be only on Apple and they do not make any product that plays with the CI world.
Alan
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| Post 27 made on Sunday November 1, 2009 at 20:43 |
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spending 4 hours to figure out why the audio is not coming out of a device
but is coming out in another room just seems like you dont know the product.
if you dont know a product, dont sell it , but dont blame it either.
you need to KNOW a product in order to SUPPORT it.
i have over 300 clients with ATV's and . .
nothing has ever taken me 4 HOURS to troubleshoot.
and at least 80% of them have fallen in love with it,
and use it all the time (each for their own reasons - some just love it for photos etc, others for HD movies)
and on that note,
digital media is the future,
find me a similar device that works easier then an apple tv,
and that a client can actually manage on their own.
EMBRACE THE FUTURE.
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| Post 28 made on Monday November 2, 2009 at 07:42 |
Audible Solutions Select Member |
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1. Vudu
2. Request
3. Squeezebox
4. Kaleidescape
If I had time I'd add 3 or 4 more.
Since you don't code or do large jobs I doubt you'd have a clue what a programmer does. I don't need to know every piece of equipment in the job. I don't design every system. Even salespukes have to sometimes give in to client demands on occasion.
Yes, one should know one's equipment. And for someone who connected RS-232 in a one to many configuration because you don't sell control systems this must be a stretch of you limited experience. Apple assumes a similar 1:1 configuration between AppleTV, iTunes and the UI. But this job has iTunes on every touch panel. It's a tad more complicated than your job.
It took 4 hours because it's also not my code and because everyone assumes all problems are the result of code. This is not a CI product and is designed by a company hostile to the CI business. Does AppleTv have a setting that allows the installer to opt out of this feature? No. Because Apple is gearing these devices to consumers. I limit what the equipment can do. I cannot here.
But since you don't code or understand code you'd not understand why it might take time to go through the code line by line to see if the error was in code. On the other hand, I am not familiar with AppleTV or iTunes. I'll also let you in on a secret. I'm also not intimately aware of how every piece in this job was setup. I don't need to be. I'm a programmer.
Alan
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| Post 29 made on Monday November 2, 2009 at 12:10 |
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On November 2, 2009 at 07:42, Audible Solutions said...
1. Vudu
2. Request
3. Squeezebox
4. Kaleidescape
NONE of these handle Photo sharing and management as easy as ATV, plus I can easily get a ATV in every job (if I wanted to) but I can't get Kscape in every job.
As for 4 hours of trouble shooting that does seem ridiculous. Isn't the first step in trouble shooting to try power cycling the product. Had you not skipped step one, you may be a little more forgiving of the ATV.
I have spent many wasted hours on a project trying to make an AppleTV be a really good fit for a client, making it so that the file management of multiple libraries amongst other things was fairly seamless, but I will NEVER do that again.
You need to buy one, have it in your home, learn to love what it can and can't do and DON'T over sale it. Make it clear what it it is and its capabilities and short falls.
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| Post 30 made on Monday November 2, 2009 at 13:00 |
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Anyone setup an AppleTV with a Static IP Address? Does this decrease the time iTunes takes to find the AppleTV?
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