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Post 16 made on Thursday April 16, 2009 at 16:17
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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Tdurrant,
it looks like the dishes have SWM switches built into them that can send signals to a maximum of four satellite inputs, so, no, you can't use ANY 12-output splitter.

Your circuit needs a SWM switch to serve more than four receivers, and more to serve more than eight receivers. Check out this page: [Link: weaknees.com]
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Post 17 made on Thursday April 16, 2009 at 17:11
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I read that, hence my question. I didn't quite get what makes the splitter so much different from others
Post 18 made on Thursday April 16, 2009 at 18:10
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Since thise old thread is already dug up :)

At the last DirecTV install the sat guy (not DirecTV an actual sat company) put in a new DISH and a SWM product that allowed me to feed 4 HDDVR's with 1 wire each and nothing at the dish end to split anything into the second tuner input.

Is this because the HDDVR is doing something internally when set up for SWM?
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Post 19 made on Thursday April 16, 2009 at 18:15
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On April 16, 2009 at 17:11, Tdurrant20 said...
I read that, hence my question. I didn't quite get what makes the splitter so much different from others

What makes that splitter different from the other splitters is that the other splitters are splitters and that splitter is an SWM switch.
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Post 20 made on Thursday April 16, 2009 at 18:16
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Is this because the HDDVR is doing something internally when set up for SWM?

Yes. The new HR22 units will see the SWM on tuner one and send it internally to both tuners. Do not use the B band converters. Also the SWM dish does not use 119 or 110 sat.
Post 21 made on Thursday April 16, 2009 at 18:47
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On April 16, 2009 at 18:16, WillP said...
Yes. The new HR22 units will see the SWM on tuner one and send it internally to both tuners. Do not use the B band converters. Also the SWM dish does not use 119 or 110 sat.

Thanks for clearing this up WillP.

I had the rack wired up for 2 RG6 per DVR and the BBand Converters when the sat guy told me.. "sorry i should have told you this earlier".

I had the RG6 cables cut short because of the BBand converters and had to build 3 pigtails real quick for testing :).
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Post 22 made on Thursday April 16, 2009 at 23:33
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its not just the hr-22 it is any hr unit from the 20 up that is compatible with the swm equipment. if you notice they all have on the #1 input labeled either swm or ftm for the single wire input from swm switch or dish. a maximum of 8 tuners can be used with swm equipment. remember that i am referencing tuners not boxes. each hr has 2 tuners. you can manually set it up to only use one of the two if need be. so on a swm dish or smw switch you can have 8 h series boxes or 4 hr series boxes or any combination in between not to exceed 8 tuners. if you are coordinating the dish install keep in mind the swm dish that only has a single rg6 out that goes to a splitter that you will only be able to have a maximum of 8 tuners. if you think your job will need a 5th hr box or 9th h box etc. run 4 from a standard au9 dish to your coax distribution point so you can splitt those four and go to two swm8 switches. you cannot have more than 8 tuners on the swm dish period. with an au9 you can use a swm-e2 or swm-e4 or fmc-6 chassis to put 2,4,or 6 swm8 switches for 16,32,or 48 outputs. make sense?
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Post 23 made on Friday April 17, 2009 at 00:17
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On April 16, 2009 at 23:33, edizzle said...
its not just the hr-22 it is any hr unit from the 20 up that is compatible with the swm equipment. if you notice they all have on the #1 input labeled either swm or ftm for the single wire input from swm switch or dish. a maximum of 8 tuners can be used with swm equipment. remember that i am referencing tuners not boxes. each hr has 2 tuners. you can manually set it up to only use one of the two if need be. so on a swm dish or smw switch you can have 8 h series boxes or 4 hr series boxes or any combination in between not to exceed 8 tuners. if you are coordinating the dish install keep in mind the swm dish that only has a single rg6 out that goes to a splitter that you will only be able to have a maximum of 8 tuners. if you think your job will need a 5th hr box or 9th h box etc. run 4 from a standard au9 dish to your coax distribution point so you can splitt those four and go to two swm8 switches. you cannot have more than 8 tuners on the swm dish period. with an au9 you can use a swm-e2 or swm-e4 or fmc-6 chassis to put 2,4,or 6 swm8 switches for 16,32,or 48 outputs. make sense?

Makes perfect sense, thanks. We did have a conversation about the 8 tuner max. The installation has 4 receivers so were maxed out right now. Its a highrise and running new cable requires opening up the firebrick ceiling inside the apartment and up to the dish. Our plan is to do the demo for new cables or install a video switcher if the client ever wants to add a video zone.
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Post 24 made on Friday April 17, 2009 at 00:38
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On April 17, 2009 at 00:17, 39 Cent Stamp said...
Makes perfect sense, thanks. We did have a conversation about the 8 tuner max.

Does this mean that the kit sold at the website I linked to above in Post 16 doesn't work?

From that page:
Two (2) SWM8 Package - INCLUDES TWO SWM8 Units, SWM E2 Expander and Power Supply!

Need to power more than 8 tuners? A dual-SWM kit is your solution! Powers up to 16 tuners (up to 8 HD DVRs or 16 HD receivers, or a combination). See wiring diagram. See below for splitters and other parts.
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Post 25 made on Friday April 17, 2009 at 00:55
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Ernie,

Your link dealt with the 4 out 5lnb into a SWM switch.

There is also a single wire 5lnb SWM lnb that uses a conventional looking splitter to distribute to the boxes that has a limit of eight receivers.
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Post 26 made on Friday April 17, 2009 at 01:21
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On April 17, 2009 at 00:38, Ernie Bornn-Gilman said...
Does this mean that the kit sold at the website I linked to above in Post 16 doesn't work?

From that page:

yes your kit will be fine but you need to make sure you are using a standard 4 wire out lnb on the dish to go to the swm-e2.

they now make a new dish called the swm3 or swm5 that is an au9 dish with a swm-8 switch built in to the lnb, it only has one coaxial output that goes to the splitter to distribute it out to the boxes. this dish cannot go over eight tuners period. it is designed more for smaller tract homes where wires are coming out of house to cable demark, you run one wire from dish to that spot and put your 2,4,or 8 way splitter and wahlah! for custom always run 4 from dish to distribution and then you have option of 1,2,4,or 6 SWM8 via the different chassis kits available. EBG PM me if you want to save $$ on that kit
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Post 27 made on Friday April 17, 2009 at 01:34
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Wow, after reading these 26 posts, I'm stickin' wit rabbit ears!
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Post 28 made on Friday April 17, 2009 at 01:49
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also know that there are 4 LNBs available now.

standard 4 wire out 3 and 5 LNB versions

built in SWM8 single wire out 3 and 5 LNB versions

we use only the three LNB versions whether single wire (rarely) or 4 wire (mostly) because where we are it is always difficult to get the 110 and 119 sats as they are the lowest and the furthest spread apart. 99,101,and 103 are higher and have a beam spread of 4 degrees vs 99,101,103,110,119 of 20 degrees and 119 being low in the horizon. there is nothing really on the 110 and 119 sats unless you are in a market where your locals are on one of those 2 sats or for para todos. you can use a 5 lnb even if you cant get signal on the last two, which we did alot until the new 3 lnb dishes, but it will give you an error but just click fix later during setup and you will be fine. but that is why we use the 3lnb so we can select the 3lnb in the setup menu and not get any errors

so first figure whether you need 3 or 5 LNBs. then figure whether or not you need a swm setup (if you have two wires everywhere than no), then figure if you need a maximum of 8 tuners or if there will ever be need for more.

We use SWM8 on every install period. i hate BBCs on boxes. although the new h and hr23 has built in BBC so even if you are not using SWM you still dont need BBC on boxes. i have only seen 2 or 3 of those boxes shipped.

also another tip, if you do anything with a swm setup, period plan on red button resetting the boxes. if you remove one, add one disconnect then reattach. once running i have had zero problems but while messing with them, holy cow! get them all connected and ready and bring online one at a time, works like a charm.
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Post 29 made on Friday April 17, 2009 at 02:05
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On April 17, 2009 at 01:34, davidcasemore said...
Wow, after reading these 26 posts, I'm stickin' wit rabbit ears!

More confusing than tax filings!!

I didn't write "the rules", I just make it work!

I wish rabbit ears worked here.

Today I had the pleasure of scaling a 3 story farm house with a 12-12 roof
pitch to re-align the antennae and install a booster.(45ft to the ground with nothing to hold onto other than the edge of the roof!!) Lowering the antenna to be able to reach the connection points with 30mph winds was hair raising!!

I wish I could have sub'd it out but nobody else would touch it!!
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Post 30 made on Friday April 17, 2009 at 02:06
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thanks for all the great info on these new posts guys.  i wasn't aware there were so many dishes available now, or that you could run multiple SWMs.
this SWM stuff is kind of complicated at first, but it really does work every time if you power up the receivers one at a time as edizzle mentioned. 
also, some HR21s don't have the slimline dish option in the setup menu.  if this happens to you, force a firmware update by pressing 0, 2, 4, 6, 8 as soon as the blue screen comes up after powering on.
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