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AMX VP Arrested for hacking Sapphire
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Post 31 made on Monday March 31, 2008 at 22:21
Mr. Stanley
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On March 31, 2008 at 21:54, Alan Slawter said...
Perhaps you didn't know about this:

AMX Sues Crestron's Exclusive MDU Partners for Racketeering
and Theft of Trade Secrets (9/5/2006)

Cimax USA, LLC (Cimax) and Vertical Integration Group
(VIG) were among a number of parties sued on Friday, May
5, 2006 in United States Federal Court in Miami, Florida
for, among other things, violations of the Racketeer Influenced
and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO), conspiracy, fraud,
and theft of trade secrets. AMX(R) LLC (AMX) brought the
lawsuit against Cimax, VIG, and a number of defendants,
including the owners, based on various fraudulent acts
and to enjoin the defendants from disclosing AMX trade
secrets.

WOW!!!

All I gotta say is...
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Post 32 made on Monday March 31, 2008 at 22:31
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Post 33 made on Monday March 31, 2008 at 22:33
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Last edited by Mr. Stanley on March 31, 2008 23:13.
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Post 34 made on Monday March 31, 2008 at 23:23
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These are two very different animals, if one might use a metaphore. Hacking an email account and stealing private corporate information is very different from a business relatonship that went sour. This is not a co-equal arrangement. I have no idea what the role of the accused was in AMX but I assume is was the top inside sales rep for the NY-metopolitan area. He was therefore an AMX employee and his alleged illegal activities benefitied him and AMX.

The Cimax-AMX law suit is a classic case of business partners falling out. Cimax's subsiderary sued AMX and AMX counter sued. “'This is a classic tale where innovative and talented entrepreneurs shared intellectual processes, systems and software with a corporate giant and the giant tries to steal the business,'said George Fallica of Cimax/VIG.......It seems as if AMX is accusing Cimax of doing exactly what AMX has done to B&M/Cimax. Cimax affiliates and business partners are confident that sheer size will not affect the outcome of this lawsuit and that justice will prevail." [Link: news.ecoustics.com]

I believe Julie wrote about this dispute in CE Pro as well. What ever the facts of the case how does a falling out between business partners, with the resulting arguments and claims, counter arguments and counter-claims have to do with an employee of AMX being accused of corporate espianage? Perhaps Cimax did try to establish a business relationship with Crestron once the relationship with AMX fell through. Perhaps there was more to it. But this sort of dispute is the nuts and bolts of business law. In essence it is a dispute about contracts. Mr Goldenberg is innocent till proven guilty but if the allegations are proved true how do you equate corporate espianage with a failed business venture where AMX is accused of being stealing business secrets and AMX accuses the other side of not filling its contactual obligations. One sounds like a crime and the other a divorce yet you link them as the same.

Alan
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Post 35 made on Tuesday April 1, 2008 at 00:48
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Alan-

I agree whole heartedly with your post. As I recall in talking with people when that went down, there was some issues on AMX's side which caused the relationship to sour.

As far as the current situation, I believe he is VICE PRESIDENT of AMX..this is a little more serious than the mail clerk doing some dirty deeds done dirt cheap. In addition, the principle of Sapphire Marketing that this "allegedly" happened to is the wife of Randy Klein, the VP of Crestron...

Seems as though AMX, errrr I mean Mr. Goldberg went for the jugular....

It will be interesting to see how this plays out and hopefully our industry doesnt get another black eye from the incident.
Post 36 made on Thursday April 3, 2008 at 23:19
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I assume that Crestron will notify the dealers about what jobs were compromised and this will open up the flood gates for suits against AMX. If I lost a deal due to this I would be talking to my lawer. In MA I could go for tripple damages. I hope that the dealers do get their compensation. This is going to seriously hurt AMX's reputation. I will no doubt be using this story in my sales pitch....
Post 37 made on Friday April 4, 2008 at 00:50
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I'm sure that we haven't even begun to see the ramifications of this criminal act. I don't think that this is a black eye for the industry at all. The vast majority of the AV industry is made up of good guys. People compete hard and often aggressively but I think that most of us can lay our heads down at night knowing that we haven't compromised our values or broken any laws.

It is a major black eye for AMX and their management since it was an AMX VP(!) that perpetrated this and AMX was the beneficiary of his crime. It will be interesting to see who else, if anyone, David Goldenberg implicates as an accessory in order to plea bargain down to less prison time.
Post 38 made on Friday April 4, 2008 at 01:10
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Yes, be interesting to see how this plays out as it goes to court. He may implicate a lot of folks within AMX. It is possible, but a bit unlikely that a VP level person did this completely on his own. Unless he is a very good closet hacker, he likely needed a lot of help to break into the email system of the rep firm and set it up so he could benefit. A VP could likely buy these type of people.

It will be interesting to see if other higher-level management is implicated in this or if he will be the only executive at AMX, "swinging-in-the breeze" , from the noose.
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Post 39 made on Friday April 4, 2008 at 01:53
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Post 40 made on Friday April 4, 2008 at 10:06
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On April 3, 2008 at 23:19, Audiofn said...
I will no doubt be using this story in my sales pitch....

Why would you do this? Selling by slamming or degrading your competition only makes you look bad. The concept is to sell yourself, and your skills. Talk about your product and what you can do with it. When you attempt to degrade or slam a competitor, it is often seen as "I can't compete with them at their level, so I have to bring them down to my level". I just cant see any point in time where this story, or others like it, would ever be brought up to a client.
Post 41 made on Friday April 4, 2008 at 10:24
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On April 4, 2008 at 10:06, PHSJason said...
Why would you do this? Selling by slamming or degrading
your competition only makes you look bad. The concept
is to sell yourself, and your skills. Talk about your
product and what you can do with it. When you attempt
to degrade or slam a competitor, it is often seen as "I
can't compete with them at their level, so I have to bring
them down to my level". I just cant see any point in
time where this story, or others like it, would ever be
brought up to a client.

Agreed!
That would be pretty Clinton-Like! ;>)
"If it keeps up, man will atrophy all his limbs but the push-button finger."
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Post 42 made on Friday April 4, 2008 at 14:01
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On April 4, 2008 at 10:24, Mr. Stanley said...
Agreed!
That would be pretty Clinton-Like! ;>)

Damn that was good!
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Post 43 made on Thursday March 26, 2009 at 11:38
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Well this just showed the character of AMX as a company. Just to update all, CIMAX USA and B&M National Automation Prevailed in Federal court and we won Monetary Damages from AMX Corp. They dropped the frivolous accusations they claimed against us as the Judge was about to throw it out of court. They filed that Lawsuit strictly to discredit us and then disseminate the press release to all of our clients and new prospects. We lost many exixting and new contract as a result of them using this as a main tool to discredit us with our current and prospective Clients. Also, since this thread went quiet, Scott Norder was also terminated. The fact remains is that we, CIMAX USA, created the AMX Amenities solution concept and brought all of the players including the underlying software that was used. Like I previously stated to Julie Jacobson and various other publications, we would prevail........
but the damage has been done. Not a day goes by where the fact that I was accused of Racketeering a Rico is not brought up by new clients and I need to defend myself against AMX's "sales tactics"......
Post 44 made on Thursday March 26, 2009 at 11:44
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Post 45 made on Thursday March 26, 2009 at 12:17
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This is so confusing.

You write about "we" and "I" and seem to have something to do with this case, but you leave out your name and your profile mentions zipnada about whom you work for. For all I know you're David Goldenberg, trying to rescue your own reputation, for instance when you say
fact that I was accused of Racketeering a Rico

sounds a lot like what Goldenberg was accused of. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know.

It also looks like you might be part of CIMAX USA, but they aren't even mentioned in the story. For all I know from your cleverly anonymous member name, you're Octomom.

Who are you? What is your relationship with this story? Why are you telling us about things that happened to you without telling us who you are? If we don't know who you are, anything personal is a lie because anyone can make it up and say it.
On March 26, 2009 at 11:38, Gfal127 said...
Well this just showed the character of AMX as a company. Just to update all, CIMAX USA and B&M National Automation Prevailed in Federal court and we won Monetary Damages from AMX Corp. They dropped the frivolous accusations they claimed against us as the Judge was about to throw it out of court. They filed that Lawsuit strictly to discredit us and then disseminate the press release to all of our clients and new prospects. We lost many exixting and new contract as a result of them using this as a main tool to discredit us with our current and prospective Clients. Also, since this thread went quiet, Scott Norder was also terminated. The fact remains is that we, CIMAX USA, created the AMX Amenities solution concept and brought all of the players including the underlying software that was used. Like I previously stated to Julie Jacobson and various other publications, we would prevail........
but the damage has been done. Not a day goes by where the fact that I was accused of Racketeering a Rico is not brought up by new clients and I need to defend myself against AMX's "sales tactics"......
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