I am not a newbie.
I have tried this several different ways.
I need a discrete code for any particular MultiRoom Source (for instance "TUNER"). Of course discretes for all of them would be even better, but I can make a work around as long I as can be certain of the entrance point.
Discrete is available using the same source code, but routing the IR through the back port of the RCVR. (This requires adding a second device, making that device RF, adding an RF Kit, and converting the IR cable from mini-phono to RCA).
I have used the GENIRDB program, but the Marantz codes are all over the place ... making it a daunting task. The SOURCE codes are RC5 16,63 RC5x 16,63,1 RC5 17,63 RC6 1,63 .... ahhhhh
Anyway, just like hitting channel up in Mits tv's takes you to the tuner (and then input, input, input, takes you to input 3) **I know about the discretes, this is just an illustration** I need a way to get the multiroom into a known source.
Any ideas?

You are doing it the right way, I don't know about the Rf approach...generally the 2nd zone commands come from a different source (like a keypad or an ir reveiver in another part of the home) though you could feed the multiroom port from the output of an Ir router. It is a good idea to use a Xantech interface (794-50) when connecing Ir to a Marantz via the rear port. The results are more consistant, especially if the G2 lug is connected to the chassis.

FYI, the tuner section can only be controlled by either the multiroom jack or the "main" jack or front panel at one time, ie.. if you select fm in the theater, you can't change the channel from the bedroom, once the fm tuner is not being used in the theater, bedroom control is restored.

jcmitch


BTW, anybody got IntelliControl/Intellifile commands for a Marantz VP12S2 (or 12S1 or VP-8000/8100)?

Multiroom discretes go in through the multiroom port on the back panel. You will need a Xantech device to complete the hookup, a 794-50, feeding the Marantz from your remote rooms. The 794-50 (as I understand it) sends the same source codes as you would send to the front panel to the back panel port with the modulation stripped off. This would explain why you don't find separate discrete multi-out control codes.

The 794-50 works well, and is not very expensive. I have one on my desk right now for the next project.....

Great replies, and helpful for others.

The reason I'm looking for discrete MR Source codes is for the Main Room. There are no remote IR receivers, and the customer wouldn't want to go aim at one to control things, It all needs to happen in the Family room. If I install a remote IR receiver in the Family Room and Route it into the back, when I try to tell the MR to go to CD, the Main Room will as well.

The work around is a BLIND toggle ... Send ENT, CRS DWN, CRS DWN, ENT, MR ON, CRS DWN, CRS DWN, CRS RT, CRS DWN, CRS DWN, CRS DWN, CRS RT, ENT(Will toggle MR to ON and NEXT Source). This takes you through 9 sources, so It could take the customer upto 8 presses before they hear their desired source. Clunky, but reliable. I could easily make discrete for all sources if there was a way to always get to one source :-)

What about using an addressable I. R. Router. Xantech make's one I think the model # is RT8

In similar circumstances I've used the 794-50 Xantech piece with a Xantech RT-8 router. The multiroom commands involve timing between multi on and source selection nd is generally unreliable with macros. By routing the Zone 1 commands into the zone 2 jack in the back through the 794-50 appropriately you get bullet proof operation.

If you use the multi room input on the marantz rcvr there should not be an issue with the timing. I would install an IR. receiver to the router then zone 1 output of the router to the 794-50. The 794-50 will connect to the multi room in on the Marantz The IR. receiver will receive the Xantech code then convert them to the marantz codes and feed them to the 794-50. The front panel of your Marantz will not recognize the Xantech code's

Nope. The Xantech device is only a demodulator, not a code translator. The remote must emit the same source selection commands as if you were controlling the main room, and the demodulator strips off the carrier (38KHz for most remotes; I forget what RC-5 codes run at) and sends the IR signal pulses or blips directly to the multiroom in port.

If the client only wants to control the second zone from in front of the unit, then an addressable IR router or switch is needed. Xantech makes a simple DPDT relay that responds to remote codes that would do the trick. A little slow, and the customer might hear and wonder about the clicking.

I can't believe I'm going to say this.

Marantz 5200 with 2 RF receivers. One for zone 1 and the other for zone 2. Use the 2 zone connecting block Z1 from one RF receiver and Z2 from the second. Z2 out of the 2 zone block goes to the universal interface. Z1 goes to the front of the unit.

I did this 2 years ago around this time of year when the ProntoPro came out with the RF extender. Two installs like this worked. I replaced one with a Crestron 1550C since it(ProntoPro) worked but was crap IMO... The other the customer just doesn't want to spend the money and knows it limitations etc.

Dave

Install at your own risk !
Repeat after me: David is not responsible for any lost time, money, brain power, loss of sleep, bandages after hitting head against wall etc.....

OK, either I'm extreamly confused, or your overlooking something very basic with the Marantz receivers.

THe Default/sample Marantz rc5200/9200 ccf files include discrete ON and OFF for zone 2. When Zone 2 is Turned ON, then next xx seconds of the receiver default to ZONE 2 commands from the Front IR. Minor obstical is that if ZOne 2 is alreay on, it does nothing.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

In your Zone 2 macros, they need to be "Zone 2 OFF" (Command will do nothing if Zone 2 isnt on), Delay 1 second,"Zone 2 ON", "INPUT Select" and this will set the Zone 2 Input without effecting Zone 1.

No Xantech boxes or stripped carriers or Multiple RF recievers.....

Imp

Some of them have MR on and off. Some have Z2 speakers on off. MR volume , Z2 video out etc. do I need to keep going. Way to many variables.

Take your chances on your own client not mine.

Dave

I thought Tbalough had posed the question here Dave.....so Relax.... Do whatever you wany with YOUR customers. I'm Sugesting that tbalough try this. I happen to be a Marantz Dealer. and Unfortunatly I'm at Infocomm right now so I dont have a x300 series receiver in front of me right now. but I'm fairly certain all the current 2 zone receivers work as I described.



This message was edited by Impaqt on 06/05/03 00:35.

ImpaqT,

Dave is right, and didn't seem hostile in his repsonse.

The Current version of the 7300 does not go into the source select delay when MR ON is issued (whether or not MR is off or on)... why Marantz changed this ... who knows ... maybe a programmer forgot to leave in those lines of code.

If I had a version that went into the delay, as you suggest, there would be no problem obviously.

I don't need 2 RF recievers as another suggested, just one (all the equipment can be seen when using the remote, so it doesn't need RF). I am just trying to keep costs down. The MR would be routed via RF through the rear IR jack (which should be 1/8" mini like everybody else), and as far as the reciever would know it is coming from another room.

For now, I am probably going to keep the MR SOURCE UP macro I described above... as I said, all I need is ONE single known in, TUNER, CD, whatever. If I could set MR to a known source, the reset isn't that hard.

-Tom

Evidentalty, he only forgot to put that line of code in the receiver your working on. I just verified on my store demo unit that it does indeed work just like I described.

Zone 2 Macros

MR-OFF
Delay.5
MR-ON
Delay.3
-SOURCE-

Workes on the 7300, 7300ose, and 9300 positively.

If the 7300 you have does not respond this way, its either broken or something is wrong in your macro.

Just in case, these are the Discrete MR On and OFF commands I'm refering to and using successfully.

MR-ON
5001 0000 0000 0002 0010 001d 0003 0000 (RC5x 16 29 3)

MR-OFF
5001 0000 0000 0002 0010 001d 0004 0000 (RC5x 16 29 4)