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TOSHIBA LCD INPUT SELECTION
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Post 1 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 06:29
AdrianM
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Here is the problem. Toshiba Regza 37X3030D LCD TV to be controlled by a Nevo Q50. Both lovely devices, but I have a problem selecting the specific input (e.g. HDMI 1, HDMI2, DTV etc). It appearsthat the standard remote only operates via a toggle (Select 'Source' and it lists the available sources on screen in a list, and you scroll up and down to select the source you want). The highlighted source is the one last selected. Which is fine if you know which that was.

(incidentally, Power on/off is also a toggle, but I have a simple workaround to create a 'Power on' and 'Power off' button.)

I want a command to 'Select source 3', for example, so need either:

a) the discrete IR codes for each source
or
b) a workaround (e.g. select source then press number 3 for HDMI 1)

Toshiba UK Tech Support said "we can't release IR codes to you". Unbelievable.

I did find a PDF on the web that listed some Toshiba TV input discretes, but only one was recognised (Video 2), but it just toggled the on-screen list.

Anyone have a fix for this? Help or suggestions would be much appreciated.
Post 2 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 07:57
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eez, what's their deal? They don't want to enable their products' use in sophisticated systems? I've never understood holding back information that could make their product perform better.

My lack of familiarity with the Nevo will now come into play.

Does the menu always come up exactly the same way? If it does, a workaround is a macro: menu, down, down, down, enter; that sort of thing.

I have a quirky sense of humor. You should call them back and ask them if they would release the IR information to audio/video installers...then define an international group of installers...I'll bet we could get people from several countries to email them, requesting this. And maybe calls to the sales department, asking why the Tech division doesn't want their products in high-priced systems.

If this sounds like fun, post back and maybe we'll get an email campaign going on here.
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OP | Post 3 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 08:42
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Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately, while the menu always comes up in the same order, the currently highlighted option is 'the input last selected', so you can never be absolutely sure of your starting 'state'. As you suggest, if you knew that, then 'input menu, down, down, down, select' (or similar) would work.

If anyone knows a way to guarantee the starting 'state' then I'd be in business.

As regards Toshiba Customer Service - it might be fun to try to do as you suggest, though I am after an answer quickly, if possible. I had hoped that a pro installer (I'm just a happy amateur) might already have, or be able to get, access to this info from Toshiba.
Post 4 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 09:03
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Any chance that the input command followed by a numeric button press will take you to that input?
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Post 5 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 09:12
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Don't scroll after pressing "source". If your input list has corresponding numbrs on the left, (0-7 or whatever) you should be golden using "source" then the number "3" in your macro for HDMI. It doesn't really matter what your starting state is, or where you are coming from.

As a last resort, you may be able to use channel up as an anchor (to the TV's tuner,)to guarantee your starting state.
OP | Post 6 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 09:24
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Already thought of that. I tried pressing a number key after selecting the input menu, but it just changed tuning to that DTV channel. So no go there. Agreed worth a try, though.
OP | Post 7 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 09:27
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Source Input List doesn't have numbers on left and, as already mentioned, pressing a number when the list is displayed doesn't select a source, it just changes channel as though the list were not even displayed.

Same happens for Channel Up or down. So no go there either.

All very frustrating.
Post 8 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 09:50
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On January 2, 2008 at 09:27, AdrianM said...
Source Input List doesn't have numbers on left and, as
already mentioned, pressing a number when the list is
displayed doesn't select a source, it just changes channel
as though the list were not even displayed.

Same happens for Channel Up or down. So no go there either.

All very frustrating.

Then your only choice is to use a number first (to take you to the TV to its tuner) Then "source" as many times and as slowly as necessary to get around to HDMI. If the remote you are using has an RF station option, you should use it. Otherwise this "point and prey" method is unreliable and someone has to hold the remote perfectly steady for 10 seconds.
OP | Post 9 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 10:29
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Sounds plausible. Have no problem with steadiness I have a NevoConnect device (a Zwave device that outputs IR via 180degree spread AND stick on emitters). I'll try that tonight, when I get home. Fingers crossed.
Post 10 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 12:02
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Sounds like you have way different Toshibas there. All of our new models here have great discretes including power. Try a model like 42hl167 from your database. I used "2006 model discretes" from the URC MX-900 database and it worked perfect.
OP | Post 11 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 12:05
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Thanks - will give it a try. Would be prefereable to find a discrete.
Post 12 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 14:29
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On January 2, 2008 at 06:29, AdrianM said...
Here is the problem. Toshiba Regza 37X3030D LCD TV

I Agree!
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Post 13 made on Wednesday January 2, 2008 at 15:08
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If all else fails, you can try the dtv channel as an anchor, followed by repeatedly pressing the input button to get to the right input.

For example if you know it takes three hits of the input button to get to the desired input you would enter 003 to go to dtv channel 3. then input three times.

You would of course need to figure out appropriate time delays etc. You might also be able to lock out un-used inputs to reduce the number of times you need to hit input.

Far from a bullet proof solution but it does work as a last resort if all else fails.
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OP | Post 14 made on Thursday January 3, 2008 at 04:18
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On the subject of discrete codes, I tried to find a model like the one suggested on the UEI database that is accessed by the Nevo software, but there was no model number that looked very similar. I was wondering if it was easy to extract the discrete codes from the URC MX-900 database. But on the URC FAQ page, it says "The MX editor does not support direct entry of Hex or Binary code data." I presume, therefore, that to get the discretes it would mean finding someone with say, a Pronto or a Nevo, learning them from the MX900, and then extracting them using that remotes editing software. Unless anyone has any better ideas.

As regards the workaround approach, I didn't have time to fully investigate and test a solution last night, but it looks like the following should work for selecting a specific source input:

a) press "1" to select DTV channel 1
b) press "Source Toggle" to bring up source list
c) press "up" n times, where n will vary depending on Source wanted. DTV is the bottom item on the list, so this will move the highlighted selection up the list of sources n positions.
d) press "OK" to select that source

Still need to fully test this, though.
Post 15 made on Thursday January 3, 2008 at 08:23
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Yep, I think you hit the head right on the nail with your learning method. URC does a very good job of staying on top of the latest IR codes (EXCEPT WHEN HANK EISENGRIN LETS HIS GUYS GET BEHIND WITH CODES FOR OUR PRIZED VIZIO AND POLAROID DISPLAYS!) Just kidding.

Your macro looks good provided there is enough space between the steps. Again, if there is an RF base station available for your your remote - which has IR outputs, one of which talks directly to the TV - I would highly recommend using it, if nothing else, so that dreaded "point and prey" type of macro works as reliably as possible.
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