Have you guys started making a list of worthless Sony TV's? In other words Sony's with no discretes. I've run into one with just the discrete power but no inputs.

Like many of you, we don't always sell the TV but just refer models (because there's no freaking $ in some of them this season). I figure this thread will help all of us.

thanks

The only ones I have seen are a couple of the small 13-20 variety.. but that was back in the tube days.

I think even on the older Sony's you could do ch up, input, input to get to input 2 for example.

There was a run of Sony LCD tvs that were some kind of VAIO like PC monitor that also had tuner and video inputs-No power on or off codes I tested would work.It really caught me by surprise on a job.

KDL26M3000 KDL32M3000 KDL37M3000
All toads as of this moment.

Many of the smaller tubes will have discrete tuner and input 1 only. The 32's, 36's, and 40's from 2001 or later have discretes on all inputs. All Sony TV's that I know of support discrete power and the channel up anchor.

I'll check with a friend at Sony who deals with this sort of stuff to see if there's anything known on the M3000's.

Yes... that is a work around, but that work around is not necessary with discrete commands. One wrong move with the remote during the macro, and things don't happen correctly. This is then followed by a customer call, where they don't like it when every now and then they get no sound, and can't figure out why. They push some buttons, and then things start to work again. As installer, you need to figure out what is happening, and fix it!

In my case, my parents call, and want me to figure it out from across the country. I usually tell dad, sorry... but it's on the wrong input again. Push the input button until you get a picture. Followed by me asking him if he's happy he saved the $85 from the set I suggested he get. Followed by his telling me that the expert at Best Buy told him it was "The Best".

Gotta love parents! They send their son to college to get a degree in Electrical Engineering, and then trust the 18 year old "Expert" at best buy more than their son, after they've gone to the trouble to ask my opinion. I Love them, but they really frustrate me at times!

Sell/install XBR4/5 - that will fix the problem

Great to know. I've got one coming up next week. I like that TV too.

About a month ago, I had a Bravia that Toaded on me. The client insisted on the HDMI input (input 7).

For those that think anchors are always great for workarounds, try macro'ing: channel up, input input input input input input input...

or turn off the unused inputs...or get a video switch that does conversion.

Steve, that's treally funny.

You didn't give us the model number.

I suggest that the list also contain Samsungs and any others that don't have discrete inputs and don't switch to the TV tuner when you give them a channel up. It's been four years since I did that TV but I read about it somewhere here today. So anyway, I don't have a model number to contribute.


In the early days of HD, there was a Sony 60" or so that had a discrete off, but not a discrete on! I set up a Pronto to run it, and every macro had to turn it off and on to be sure that it was on at the end of the macro. Talk about insane! Then somebody here came up with new codes. Thank God and Daniel for this site!

We just put up a Sony LCD... 42" I believe. Client bought it at Sears to help out a friend. Anyway, it's a TOAD. Didn't look at model number, but it had the clear plastic "border" around the screen. After Dish HD was hooked up..... wow, that's a crappy picture. Had so much noise on it, and that was 7-9 feet away. Dvd's weren't as bad. I haven't liked a Sony image since the tube days.

We use Toshiba's and they are TOADS as well. But picture quality sooo much better. Although could have been crappy Di$H HD DVR. We tell clients to use Direc*v for a reason.

I think you need to look up the deffinition of a TOED...

The model your talking about is an XBR and it has a fll working set of discrete codes... not to mention, it has a great picture... it was most deffinately the install or the DISH setup.

Sounds like and XBR4. Go into the menu and disable the inputs you don't use. If it really were a TOAD (Toggle Only Activated Device), you'd still only have to deal with the tuner and those inputs you keep.

On TVs where there are discretes, it's about time that you can turn off the tuner. I know the FCC wants them to build it in, but when a low budget client refuses remotes that offer the use of discretes, it would be nice if they didn't have to go past a snowy screen when they go around.

Wait...this is a new TV and it has a tuner that gets digital channels. Why does it ever show snow? That's an analog artifact. These new TVs must still default to the analog tuner!