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Projectors "Power" vs. Pronto
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Post 1 made on Wednesday April 23, 2003 at 22:34
JPS
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New projectors usually need "press and hold" (cca 1-1.5s) Power/Operate button for turn them On/Off. It works with single dirrect button on every Pronto, but never really works for me with Macro, no matter how many times is Makro sending "proper" signal. Any idea how can I make it work?
Post 2 made on Thursday April 24, 2003 at 10:20
Ian Schatz
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What brand & model "projectors" are you referring to? I haven't had that problem with Sharp, Yamaha, Dwin, Viewsonic, or Sanyo. I do have issue with the time it takes after issuing a power on command before one can get a projector to respond to an input command. (see other thread "delay after turn on...why).
Sometimes when I run into a device that requires a longer IR command than a tap, simply issuing that command 2-4 times in a row in the macro takes care of it.
Post 3 made on Thursday April 24, 2003 at 20:36
Eric Johnson
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Actually, JPS is correct with some projectors. A press and hold is needed. If you simply program a macro of repeating commands the projector will ignore it.

The solution only works on controls like the Pronto, with no built in delay between Macro steps. It works like this:

1) Create two buttons on a hidden page of the Projector device. Label one A, the other B.

2) Teach a short burst (one tap) of the Power/Operate button to button A.

3) Put a book in between the projector remote and the learning sensor of the Pronto. Start the Learn process for the B button with the book in place. Press and hold the projector's Power/Operate button. Wait a second, then lift the book teaching the repeating portion of the Power/Operate code but not the initial preamble.

4) On a visible page of the Pronto, create a button labeled ON. Create a macro like this:

ABBBBB

DO NOT put any delays in between the steps. Test and adjust by varying the number of B's in the macro.

Best Regards,

-Eric

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OP | Post 4 made on Thursday April 24, 2003 at 21:45
JPS
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Thanx Erick, ABBBBB works. The funny thing is, that new JVC projectors need repeat "B" 12x. But it works and customer is happy. Thanks again.
Post 5 made on Sunday April 27, 2003 at 19:17
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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Fnny, when I did this a couple of years ago, I had a totally different result. The JVC projector required ELEVEN repeats.

Okay, I'm trying to be funny.

This kind of signal has got to be one of the silliest things that projector manufacturers do. The other ones, outside of non-discrete input commands, are (Mitsubishi) hit power, then hit power again, or (Christie) hit power, then hit right cursor and hit enter! Imagine trying to reliably put THAT onto a Pronto! In fact, imagine doing it in the dark!

I see a total justification for all of these schemes, though, which is that if you hit POWER by accident and the projector shuts off, it will usually be two minutes before you can turn it on again. BUT JEEZ GUYS, how 'bout maybe if you didn't put the POWER button next to the VIDEO button, or otherwise designed the remote to help avoid accidental shutdown?

When will these guys realize that the answer is a discrete on and a discrete off? Then they could avoid the accidental shutoff by making OFF easy to do but at least as hard to hit as RECORD is on most VCR remotes -- recess the button or make it necessary to hold one button and then push another. Instead of making stupid IR processes!

Rant over. For now.
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Post 6 made on Sunday April 27, 2003 at 19:18
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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This answer is also in the FAQs somewhere, but I only found it when Daniel was nice enough to write me an email telling me where it is.

I am technically savvy but FAQ-challenged.
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Post 7 made on Sunday April 27, 2003 at 20:58
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I agree why they think it is necessary for the off. I like the power/power or power/ok better, and never had a problem with them. But I really don't understand why they don't have discrete inputs.
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Post 8 made on Thursday May 1, 2003 at 21:00
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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Actually, someone found a way to tell Mitsubishi, and while the XD200 has input toggles, the XD300 has discretes. Bummer, though -- the 300 remote does not work the inputs on the 200 AT ALL, nor vice versa.

Toshiba went through this with their bigscreens a few years back, as well. I JUST WISH THERE WERE SOME WAY WE COULD GET THIS INFORMATION TO THE MANUFACTURERS BEFORE THEY MAKE AN OTHERWISE WONDERFUL PRODUCT AND PUT IT ON THE MARKET ! ! ! ! !
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