Just wondering if anyone has a good explanation for this all too common problem...
Starting with a display powered off, an IR macro issues an "ON" command. Most displays require 6 - 10 seconds before they will accept any other IR commands, such as an input change. I have installed some with up to a 14 second delay! Typically, one must wait at least until the monitor displays light, usually in the form of a muted "blue" screen.
I use lots of Pioneer Plasmas, Yamaha & Dwin Projectors, Mitsubishi Big Screens, & Loewe CRT sets. All have this problem to varying degrees.
Should we create a mass petition to manufacturers asking that they address this problem?
Thanks for your help.

I agree and I absolutely hate this also. The new Philips PixelPlus and a lot of the Sonys take 10 seconds to accept another IR command. The PixelPlus is particularly troublesome because if you press volume down during the 10 second warmup, the set will lock up. None of the controls will work anywhere(IR or on the actual set)...only unplugging the TV will reset it. I approached Philips on this at CEDIA and they acknowledged the problem a few weeks later to me, with no solution.

The InFocus 7200 projector needs in excess of 28 seconds before it can accept another IR command!

Turn on with input selection would be nice.

I have never had this problem with sony TV's. I use a .5 second delay on all my ccf with sony monitors and it works every time. I have a Sharp TV here at home and it can accept codes without delay after power up. Other TV's though do have a problem. Mitsu bigscreens take quite a long time, and I have yet to see a projector that can take an IR code after power on. Projectors are the worst becuase some of them take up to 40 seconds to accept a code. I solve this by adding a "Projector On" at the top of my home page thus making switching from one activity to the other move very quickly. I would like to see electronic manufacturers address this issue. DavidatAVX has a good point about input with power up, Sony recievers use this system and it works wonderfuly in a ccf or any other program with macros for that matter.

Sony TV's seem to respond directly after power, mits are a different story.
The new aSony DLP', if powered off, you have to wait 20 seconds or so before you can turn it back on.

just my two sense

CB1

Thanks for your responses...
I will check out the Sony line for quick macros. Do they offer discrete IR commands in their remotes, or do I have to use codes "discovered" by other users on this site?
As to power-off delays on projectors, they all have it. Has something to do with cooling the lamp before cycling on again. I would beg that manufacturers use more robust lamps. (How many times will most light bulbs turn on & off before giving up?)
Anyone else have input on the turn-on delay problem?

Sony remotes dont have descrete input or power commands on the remote.I use RTI and have found the decretes readily available in the data base. No digging required.

Mav

Mavrick is right about RTI having all the discreet code needed for Sony.. AS far as Dave at our arch-nemisis. Seleco CRT'S and DLP's and other euro brands have input on commands. Their power off.. Well thats another story..just kiddin about the nemisis thing Dave. But serial commands via crestron or others may address some problems as well.

Just do the other macros first, then the input command. This isn't that big of deal...

Mitsubishi big screens can be tricky. The "IR blind duration" will shorten if the TV has been on for a while. As it cools off the time lengthens.

My 2 cents

Steve

I've been programming pronto's with all kinds of equipment for about 5 years. Currently playing with an ipronto....long way to go. What I always do if have the system default to either sat or cable on turn on. So On system off I have it set itself up for the default and then when the the customer turns it on you don't have to worry about input switching on power up. Just the way I do it.

you took the words right out of my mouth. i had this same problem, put the input at the end of the macro, no more problem.

No problem for you and I as operators, but to the average customer, 10 - 20 seconds waiting for a remote to finish talking is an ETERNITY. More often than not, the remote gets set down, a cat walks in front of the display, or something happens that blocks that last, all-important input command from hitting the target. Of course, on the upside, a few customers have stepped up to Niles IntelliControl & Crestron because of this problem. "I can run it fine, but every time my wife tries, she gets no picture..."

Ian,
Xantech has a "macrolizer" which will learn macros, then execute them after receiving an initializing command. Screw the cat.

Thanks, I'll check out the xantech unit, but I prefer not to screw cats.