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Motorola HD cable boxes......
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Post 16 made on Sunday July 15, 2007 at 16:32
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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On July 13, 2007 at 22:33, ddingle said...
FYI: We have been able to get a reliable video sync from
the blue output of the component video on Motorola 6412
HD DVRs.

This is totally confusing as green has sync and luma (black to white level) in a component signal. Blue and Red are subtractive combinations of their own color and green.

It works in Minnesota our home State ( Comcast).
However it did not work in Tuscon Arizona recently on
the same box. Worth a try though. We use alot of Niles
Intellicontrols and this resolves some serious issues
we were having with sync.

I'm interested to know what these issues were and how they affected what you were doing. Without that, this post just sorta seems like it's out of left field and relates to nothing. If I have some sync issues, I won't have a clue if they relate to yours unless you explain a bit. Please do.

It is interesting that the Green and red do not provide
sync? They are always on it seems.

Yeah, true, especially since
On July 15, 2007 at 16:32, Ernie Bornn-Gilman said...
This is totally confusing as green has sync and luma (black
to white level) in a component signal. Blue and Red are
subtractive combinations of their own color and green
(I love quoting myself).


Weird

Understatement.

Hope this helps

Give us a context and it could.
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Post 17 made on Friday July 20, 2007 at 08:54
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On July 13, 2007 at 22:45, OTAHD said...
That's the Scientific Atlanta ones. 0-Exit for "On" and
0-Exit-Power for "Off".

The Motorola's can be done by Menu-Power for "On" and
Menu-Menu-Power for "Off".

HDMI passthrough is terrible with the Motorola one's I've
used. For the life of me, I can't get it through a Yamaha
RX-V2700.

Thanx for th einput but not quite understanding how and where you do it? i thought i had it but when i hit my watch cable activity on my RTI, most of the times the box is on, sometimes if its over night in in the mornign i turn it on and screen says "press any key to play...
Post 18 made on Friday July 20, 2007 at 09:05
deniz13
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Poor design. it takes 10 seconds between channel changing.
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Post 19 made on Friday July 20, 2007 at 10:21
Tom Ciaramitaro
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FYI, the MENU - POWER is good on non-DVR boxes. As soon as you add the DVR to the mix, the workaround becomes unreliable. If there is a program recording at the time and you run your magic macro, a menu pops up and asks you if you want to stop recording. I quit using that workaround a couple years ago. Just leave the box on and at least with Moto boxes, no sweat. Scientific Atlanta 0 - Exit is a good one, though.

Now the newest Moto I've seen is an AT&T / Moto box, model VIP1216. Beware of this, it is the slowest responding DVR I have ever seen. Channel macros are completely hit and miss. Let your customer know going in that this box is not fast enough to do what it is supposed to do well.
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Post 20 made on Friday July 20, 2007 at 13:04
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On July 13, 2007 at 22:45, OTAHD said...

The Motorola's can be done by Menu-Power for "On" and
Menu-Menu-Power for "Off".

I think you meant Menu-Power for "Off" and Menu-Power-Power for "On" or at least that is works in the Seattle market.

If off, menu will bring up the setup menu and then power will clear the menu and remain off. Another power command and the box will turn on.

If on, menu will bring up the GUI menu and then power will turn the box off. Another power command and the box will turn on.

That said... it just is not worth it to bother will discrete power solutions. Someone may want to scream here but leave the f**king thing on for god sakes. Tivo does not even have a power option!!!!???? If you do use a power on/off solution, the box is slow to boot up making the video and the wonderful control system you just installed look like something is wrong or that it was done by a hack. Besides, it gives you added leverage to sell that cooling fan!
Post 21 made on Friday July 20, 2007 at 17:47
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On January 18, 2007 at 08:41, Theaterworks said...
So, if what I'm told is true, it goes back to convincing
the cable companies to specify these features on the boxes,
an all-but-impossible task, in my view.

I have heard the same thing as well. I think this applies to Sat boxes as well. ie Directv. The cable/sat company chooses what capabilities each box has. We do Directv systems 9 out of 10 times and we've been praying for IR in ports. Damn boxes are so shitty with IR emitters.
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Post 22 made on Friday July 20, 2007 at 18:15
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On July 20, 2007 at 13:04, tgrugett said...
I think you meant Menu-Power for "Off" and Menu-Power-Power
for "On" or at least that is works in the Seattle market.

Yes, that's what I meant. It was a typo.

On July 20, 2007 at 08:54, pesci said...
Thanx for th einput but not quite understanding how and
where you do it? i thought i had it but when i hit my
watch cable activity on my RTI, most of the times the
box is on, sometimes if its over night in in the mornign
i turn it on and screen says "press any key to play...

Not sure what you mean. In a macro, putting 0-Exit will turn the box on and 0-Exit-Power will turn the box off. Make sure you put the appropriate delay in between the commands (about 0.3 seconds). Also make sure you have the settings set to "power and numeric".
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Post 23 made on Friday July 20, 2007 at 18:27
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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On July 20, 2007 at 13:04, tgrugett said...
That said... it just is not worth it to bother will discrete
power solutions. Someone may want to scream here but leave
the f**king thing on for god sakes. Tivo does not even
have a power option!!!!???? If you do use a power on/off
solution, the box is slow to boot up making the video
and the wonderful control system you just installed look
like something is wrong or that it was done by a hack.

BINGO! ! ! Why are so many people intent on turning off products that are basically on all the time anyway (satellite and cable boxes) or that take too long to boot? It's just plain silly. I can't believe anybody serious about having a system look and perform professionally will try to turn these things off.
Besides, it gives you added leverage to sell that cooling
fan!

Well, yeah, but if you need it because the cable box is hot, they won't want the fan running in the middle of the night -- think of a bedroom system here -- so they are more likely to want you to turn off the cable box.

I have had two circumstances where it made sense to turn these things off. A Panasonic HD sat receiver had a fan too noisy for a bedroom, and an earlier RCA sat receiver had a stupid blinking message light that kept a client's wife awake from across the room. Who wants to be kept awake by a jolly blinking light that is grinning at you 24 hours a day until you read the freakin' ADVERTISEMENT that they think they can call a "message." Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi -- these people had messages. DirectV? I think not.
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Post 24 made on Friday July 20, 2007 at 19:27
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just leave it on ...
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Post 25 made on Friday July 20, 2007 at 20:09
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...And when the power goes off and the box doesn't restart when the power comes back on and there's no on in the macro? Or the box receives a software hit overnite and turns off(happens to me way too often)?
Post 26 made on Friday July 20, 2007 at 22:03
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On July 20, 2007 at 20:09, musictoo said...
...And when the power goes off and the box doesn't restart
when the power comes back on and there's no on in the
macro? Or the box receives a software hit overnite and
turns off(happens to me way too often)?

You do have a point, however, the discrete power macros used by many can be very cumbersome and unreliable. I have had more incidence of boxes locking up during Menu-Power-Power macros than I have had from outages or home office resets and I have implemented more than I care to count. It has been proven to me clearly, that it is less trouble for me not to put these macros into my control systems.

It ain't a perfect world sometimes (something I have to remind myself of all the time)!
Post 27 made on Wednesday October 31, 2007 at 16:03
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It's a pain, but mount the emitter at least 6 inches from the sensor on the Directv box. It really does solve the problem.
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