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Post 1 made on Wednesday January 17, 2007 at 22:55
scoop city
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I just have to rant......

Motorola,
Thank u for......... (in no particular order)
- no RF output on the HD PVR
- no HDMI output on the HD non PVR model
- no way for HDMI to work through mainstream AV receiver HDMI switchers...more than 4 million units in the field that don't work!
- no discrete on (if anyone repies..."just leave it on , I will scream)
- no discrete off
- slooooww channel changing
- lock-ups (way too often)
- no ir 3.5 mini input for control
- no black front panels, only silver
- physically noisy system (hard drive)
- no ability to put desired text on what u have recorded on PVR
- no smalllllll set top boxes that can do HD
- no ability to have multiple IR codesets like Dish Network/Expressvu


Motorola.....it is not the eighties anymore.....

think outside your cardboard box sometimes.

Last edited by scoop city on January 18, 2007 23:27.
Post 2 made on Wednesday January 17, 2007 at 23:05
NickKO
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Agree with ya there, we constantly fight with those here.

As for power, "Menu", 0.5sec delay, "Power" will work as a discrete off (may have to play with the delay a little)

And then for a discrete just do the above off, wait longer than 0.5sec, and send another power command.

Which receiver were you trying to use it through? Hooked up an HD box the other day using HDMI going through a Denon receiver and had to turn off the Denon's Video Convert feature on that particular input to get it to pass the signal or else I'd get some copyright error screen.
Post 3 made on Thursday January 18, 2007 at 00:24
alihashemi
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On January 17, 2007 at 22:55, scoop city said...
I just have to rant......

Motorola,
Thank u for......... (in no particular order)
- no RF output on the HD PVR
- no HDMI output on the HD non PVR model

Wrong info, here in Irvine Cox communications has this
- no way for HDMI to work through mainstream AV receiver
HDMI switchers...more than 4 million units in the field
that don't work!

Why not? I've seen this work.
- no discrete on (if anyone repies..."just leave it on
, I will scream)

Ummm, Havn't seen too many cable box's with descrete on/off codes
- no discrete off
- slooooww channel changing

very true annoys the hell out of me
- lock-ups (way too often)

VERY VERY TRUE
- no ir 3.5 mini input for control

Also wrong info, My dct-6412 does.
- no black front panels, only silver

Only seen the HD-PVR models in silver never black
- physically noisy system (hard drive)
- no ability to put desired text on what u have recorded
on PVR
- no smalllllll set top boxes that can do HD

Motorola.....it is not the eighties anymore.....

think outside your cardboard box sometimes.
Ali Hashemi
Post 4 made on Thursday January 18, 2007 at 00:46
SDZD
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On January 17, 2007 at 22:55, scoop city said...
- no discrete on (if anyone repies..."just leave it on, I will scream)

Depending on the cable company and the box. If you go into the advance settings menu there might be a turn on option. It will allow you to turn the cable box on by the power button or by any number key. I usually select the any number key and press 0 that way it won't change the channel if the unit is recording.

Last edited by SDZD on January 18, 2007 00:54.
Post 5 made on Thursday January 18, 2007 at 00:55
CCD
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On January 18, 2007 at 00:24, alihashemi said...
Wrong info, here in Irvine Cox communications has this
Why not? I've seen this work.
Ummm, Havn't seen too many cable box's with descrete on/off
codes
very true annoys the hell out of me
VERY VERY TRUE
Also wrong info, My dct-6412 does.
Only seen the HD-PVR models in silver never black

That is an IR OUT and is not active in most parts. Please keep you misinformation to yourself.
These boxes are different everywhere but but there are 2 PVRs and 2 HD boxes here.
The DTC6412 III has RF out the older models do not. Only a select few boxes are HDMI most are DVI.
Post 6 made on Thursday January 18, 2007 at 01:41
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How do u guys learn stuff like power off and on discr. such as number and 0, or umber and exit??? i heard the other day u can get a on and off by hitting settings twice, changing power to numeric, then call an exit which cancels out looking 4 channel. any body try this?? let me know how, im kinda new at this.. OH--Daniel Tonks said it!!!!!!!!!!!!credit
Post 7 made on Thursday January 18, 2007 at 01:44
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yeah, its not just motorola (scientific atlanta / CISCO), but also the cable provider who writes the software / operating environment. i have seen implementations by Time Warner Cable that are great, while the Cablevision implementation of the same exact box is horrible. i've gotten a few of the Tivo Series 3 boxes under my belt and not to say that they haven't had their problems... the first thing, that it is not a box provided by the cable company, is a huge + for Tivo, and they didn't even have to do anything to gain that point from me.
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Post 8 made on Thursday January 18, 2007 at 02:15
pesci
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On January 18, 2007 at 01:44, tsvisser said...
yeah, its not just motorola (scientific atlanta / CISCO),
but also the cable provider who writes the software /
operating environment. i have seen implementations by
Time Warner Cable that are great, while the Cablevision
implementation of the same exact box is horrible. i've
gotten a few of the Tivo Series 3 boxes under my belt
and not to say that they haven't had their problems...
the first thing, that it is not a box provided by the
cable company, is a huge + for Tivo, and they didn't even
have to do anything to gain that point from me.

Tivo Series 3 is awesome!!! i jus tdid one, never seen it. expensive though, $800 just for the media box. and then service costs. i think the best thing is cable cards, even though u dont get guide, ITS ON TIVO!! And it is unbelievably fast, and networkable..
Post 9 made on Thursday January 18, 2007 at 03:01
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On January 18, 2007 at 00:24, alihashemi said...
Why not? I've seen this work.

Maybe... but you've done a grand total of what?... 3 installations? I think that in our neck of the woods the very latest batch of 6412III units MIGHT passed HDMI correctly to/through a receiver.... but trust me... when you've done hundreds on installations with Motorola Cable boxes, you are VERRRRRY aware of their horrible HDMI implementation(s).


Also wrong info, My dct-6412 does.

Wrong info... Its IR output (as previously stated).

No offence (really)... but please trust me when I say this: There is a VAST difference between thinking you know something (guesses, "knowledge" from internet sources/forums, manufacturer's false promises, etc)... and actually having years of field experience with the products.

...couple a thumb tacks and a stick of double sided tape should hold this baby up...
Post 10 made on Thursday January 18, 2007 at 08:41
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I have just a smidge of inside information on this, from a conversation from earlier this week.

A person I know is closely involved with the hardware end of the cable box biz. Since we're located in Barrington, IL and one of the major players is located in Schaumburg, you might infer that it is that hardware mfr. You can infer what you care to, right or wrong. I'm sure, should this info be correct, that it is equally true for all the players.

I'm told that the hardware side is perfectly capable of providing any level of control, discrete codes, multiple code sets, etc. These are offered to the various cable companies, and each company decides what they want and what they pay for. There's a post above that mentions a cable company (Cox?) has features on their Motorola box that are not common to other cable company's Motorola boxes.

So, if what I'm told is true, it goes back to convincing the cable companies to specify these features on the boxes, an all-but-impossible task, in my view.
Carpe diem!
Post 11 made on Thursday January 18, 2007 at 09:55
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On January 18, 2007 at 08:41, Theaterworks said...
... I'm told that the hardware side is perfectly capable of
providing any level of control, discrete codes, multiple
code sets, etc. These are offered to the various cable
companies, and each company decides what they want and
what they pay for. There's a post above that mentions
a cable company (Cox?) has features on their Motorola
box that are not common to other cable company's Motorola
boxes.

This mirrors what I've also been told. However, with the increased competition from MCE, Tivo, and now phone companies, I think that the cable boxes might be ripe for new options.

CJ
I'm not a pro
Post 12 made on Thursday January 18, 2007 at 17:29
alihashemi
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On January 18, 2007 at 03:01, fluid-druid said...
Maybe... but you've done a grand total of what?... 3
installations? I think that in our neck of the woods
the very latest batch of 6412III units MIGHT passed HDMI
correctly to/through a receiver.... but trust me... when
you've done hundreds on installations with Motorola Cable
boxes, you are VERRRRRY aware of their horrible HDMI implementation(s)

I've seen this done by another CI at 4 of my uncle's houses, they wanted to use HDMI and the CI was forced to. The unit passed HDMI fin
Wrong info... Its IR output (as previously stated).


No offence (really)... but please trust me when I say
this: There is a VAST difference between thinking you
know something (guesses, "knowledge" from internet sources/forums,
manufacturer's false promises, etc)... and actually having
years of field experience with the products.

This is very true, and I'm sorry, Your statement is VERY VERY true. I guess when some people think or "know" they know something, they end up really not knowing. You have to have expirience to truely know how something (exactly) works.

Sorry for MY missinformation.
Ali Hashemi
Post 13 made on Thursday January 18, 2007 at 21:03
Dean Roddey
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I use DirecTV specifically because I have a well controllable STB. I would never switch to cable unless I had the same there. And the newer DTV boxes have a much nicer, consistently implemented protocol, which will make them even better. I'm sure that the cable companies aren't sweating this, since it's something that only would make a difference to a small set of folks, unfortunately. But you'd think that they could do better.
Dean Roddey
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Post 14 made on Friday July 13, 2007 at 22:33
ddingle
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FYI: We have been able to get a reliable video sync from the blue output of the component video on Motorola 6412 HD DVRs. It works in Minnesota our home State ( Comcast). However it did not work in Tuscon Arizona recently on the same box. Worth a try though. We use alot of Niles Intellicontrols and this resolves some serious issues we were having with sync.
It is interesting that the Green and red do not provide sync? They are always on it seems.
Weird
Hope this helps
Post 15 made on Friday July 13, 2007 at 22:45
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On January 18, 2007 at 01:41, pesci said...
How do u guys learn stuff like power off and on discr.
such as number and 0, or umber and exit??? i heard the
other day u can get a on and off by hitting settings twice,
changing power to numeric, then call an exit which cancels
out looking 4 channel. any body try this?? let me know
how, im kinda new at this.. OH--Daniel Tonks said it!!!!!!!!!!!!credit

That's the Scientific Atlanta ones. 0-Exit for "On" and 0-Exit-Power for "Off".

The Motorola's can be done by Menu-Power for "On" and Menu-Menu-Power for "Off".

HDMI passthrough is terrible with the Motorola one's I've used. For the life of me, I can't get it through a Yamaha RX-V2700.
LET'S GO BUFFALO!!!
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