Hi there,

does anybody work on (or has even finished working on) a prontoscript for controlling an ADAGIO system from CRESTRON?? especially the slider control for volume and the source/zone switching functions are important!

I want to eliminate the need for expensive CRESTRON TPs and go for the real stuff!! Imagine a PRONTO w/ full bi-directional communication w/ CRESTRON!!

Since I know that this is a biggie, I am also willing to pay accordingly for someone who is able to program such a thing!

Please contact me at [email protected] and let me know what we can do!

I believe that all serious home automation guys out there need exactly this: a CRESTRON plug-in, starting w/ the ADAGIO as a great multi-room system and then maybe for even more advanced systems!

Let's get this on the road!

poojoe

I have a one-way, digital press joins-only early crestron module :D

So, like 5 or 10% of the job is done.

IMHO, Most serious Home automation guys do not have Crestrons. They have systems that are specifically made for Home Automation. I will agree that many High End Home Theater guys (read that as well off) Have Crestrons or AMX's. They are probably more serious Movie guys then HA or HT guys (:-)

I have to disagree : the strenght of a Crestron system, from a custom installer's point of view, is it's reliable, robust, and there's a good support.

It's by no mean the cheapest solution, nor the best from a technical point of view. Nevertheless, I'd not go without one for serious home automation.

Home automation is something the customer expects to be working always and everytime. The way a light switch cannot crash.

I understand your reluctance to buy the Touch panel. But I do not believe the Philips is the solution you are looking for your system, even if you owned one already. Instead, I would rely on inexpensive APAD's, or even better e-Control Xpanel: all you need is a PC in the Network with internet Explorer. You could use a PDA as well. Or, If you want to go all out buy your self an UMPC and you will be able to emulate the Expensive touch panels in a fraction of the price, even less than the Philips remote you are suggesting using.

[Link: microsoft.com]

Huh? what system out there is more serious than Crestron or AMX for automation?

Doing 2 way to AMX should be easy, you could just send strings that you make up over IP from the Pronto and have AMX parse the info and perform events then send commands back to the Pronto and have Pronto Script parse and perform the required task. However I think after doing all the programming involved with that it would probably end up being a wash. Pay more up front for a Crestron / AMX panel with less programming involved or get a cheaper remote and spend twice as much time programming.

I claim that Homeseer is more serious for Home Automation than Crestron or AMX but that is a subjective opinion as all opinions are.

Well the Crestron Adagio audio server is basically an Imerge so it will probably work with the Pronto imerge Script, the surround amps is a diferent story, but I guess anyone with insight into Crestron and capabilities in Java can do it. I dont suppose that Crestron will be of any assistance though.

Correct me if I am wrong! I do belive the thread refer to the Adagio Multiroom Audio Preamp and Amps (AES or AADS). Not the Adagio Audio Server (AAS) source. Other wise we are talking "apples and oranges."

avtech is right! I don't want to control the imerge sound server but the multiroom amplifier solution! We have been working w/ the ADAGIO system for quite some time now (end even the new AMS which has one surround zone and up to 6 seperate zones) and I have to say: 100% reliable, powerful and decent sounding amps, great price-performance ration, one box - one solution. We are based in Germany and are using an EIB module to control lights, LEDs, blinds, shutters, HVAC and it works just amazingly well - but their touchpanels are just WAY TOO EXPENSIVE!! So I want a prontoscript that controls (in a first version) volume in all 6 (or w/ expanders even more) zones (bi-directional), that let's me control the built in radio tuners, that lets me send RS-232 through CRESTRON, that can visualize RS-232 commands sent back to CRESTRON (and then to the RFX) and so forth!

I know this is not an easy task but I am not the java crack that you need to be - but I am willing to pay for this and maybe somebody else here is, too - and I would even have it up for free download after we got it to work since I believe in team work and want to see this great touchpanel (the TSU is even better when it comes to brilliance of the display and touch sensitivity than the TPMC-8X - and, of course, the battery life as well, and this is a $4k touchpanel!!!) so PLEASE LET'S MAKE THIS WORK!!! Barry, Lyndel, LowPro, anyone of the "pros" out there: able and interested?!?! I would even supply the ADAGIO if that helps....

thanks

poojoe (of controLED)

I took a quick look at what Crestron has done from a control standpoint, as they have featured IP based control for quite some time.

Unfortunately they went to e-control2 which assumes an Internet browser with the capability to run activeX controls, where their older technology was Java based add ins to the browser that made up the client/touchscreen. I do not know if the older e-control is even supported at this time

Too bad, as if they had not done that the issue would degenerate to finding a java based web browser of reasonable capability and porting it to the Pronto. With the need to run activex controls it requires a PC based system as activex controls are actually Windows OS dll's (Dynamic Link Libraries) and will probably make use of standard Windows OS API calls.

Perhaps if their activex controls are minimal in nature they could be recoded.

So much code, so little time....

The Adagio solution are great systems for integrators. But I belive the TSU.... family is not ready to deal with the complexity of that systems at this time. Eventually, You will see their integration as an OEM partner as the UEI Nevos are now. I know is possible to do it, but I doub you could get any IP protocol or cooperation from the system manufacture. Remember, they are avoiding any one going the same route you are tryin to go.

I faced the same situation as you. My way around it is WEB tablet, or a UMPC:

[Link: tabletkiosk.com]

With one of those you could save you VT-P project into "executables" and will behave as a touch pannel you want. With real state of 800X480 resolution to display any graphics you can create.

If crestron has/had a disclosed TCPIP protocol (lets say without HTTP riding on top of it, just TCP/IP, then I would be willing to look at doing a 9600/9400 interface to their system. The hard part is that I would need the protocol information and a Crestron control unit to develop with. I now have both a 9600 and 9400 so I am okay there (Santa was very nice).

I have been contacted by some one who says there is such a protocol and I am stripping down what I have done to make a general TCPIP environment. From that basic environment one should be able to develop many (Not all) TCPIP applications without all of the hassle. Can the Adagio be controlled by the basic Crestron control system or does it have its own control apradigm?

I know nothing about the Crestron line.

The Adagio systems can only be explained as poojoe, the creator of the thread, discribed; a "multiroom amplifier solution." But there is a lot more to them:

1- A TCP/IP and serial control processor. Think of it as a RFX9600's on STEROIDS; with 8 sources imputs, gain controls, and 6 Stereo Zones outputs; each with his own independant volume, tone, balance, and 2 channel of amplification.

2- And there is more; one model is a "Card Cage" design that allow to plug in 3, optionals, dual Tuners "A' la carte" (combination of AM/FM, XM, and Sirius radio). The Latest incarnation is a full blown 7 channel receiver with HDMI switching and digital room acoustics correction.

This systems are real Gems for custom Installers and home owners alike. No wonder why poojoe is so motivated!

Happy New Year to You all!!

avtech got it right! The ADAGIO system is a great way of bringing sound into any home/apartment for a fair amount of money. But CRESTRONs touchpanels are just not what they should be - and that's just too bad, since this is what every customer is longing for: a cool, reliable (and affordable) remote. Their 4x (which is just a NEVO SL w/o IR) is about $2.5k and their 8x about twice as much (and HUGE plus sucky battery life) so there's definitely a need for such a remote.

Kaleidescape is working like crazy to get their macro for the prontos ready and that's what I want for the ADAGIO as well.

We have been fiddling around and have gotten to a point where we can get feedback (so far only volume, source selection and fader, treble and bass stats) - but this is all done via RS-232 input and sometimes overloads the RFX9600.

If we got this to work, we would be the kings of it all...

And I would see it as: "Finally an affordable yet better-in-quality-then-ever touch panel to fully control your CRESTRON equipment!".

By the way, I have the same idea for the PS3 - full control via TCP/IP... any ideas are apreciated but I think I will open up a new thread for this as well...

keep it safe