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New TV with my Good Old TSU 9600 (teaching old remote new tricks/codes)
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Post 1 made on Tuesday August 10, 2021 at 21:17
Sylvain
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As all of us have to do I suppose, I need to update codes when I change a piece of equipment. My new Sony XR65A80J is great and was able to use old codes for basic functions (like on and off).

But some functions are more tricky. The "TV" button for example (on the Sony TV remote) actually appears to use bluetooth or Wifi. Don't know how to address that.  I found "TV" button IR codes in other Sony TVs but they don't work.

My problem right now is setting the Sony to the right input depending on what we want to do and I have not found codes that will make the new TV switch to HDMI 1 (as an example).

Is the Sony Excel file of codes still good? I did try copy/paste one HDMI 1 code but it did not work.

Would anyone have advice?  Thanks.

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Post 2 made on Wednesday August 11, 2021 at 01:43
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I would assume the old discrete codes work or I would’ve heard something about it by now. However i think there may be “old” and “newer” input codes, so make sure you’re using a recent reference.

Assuming “tv” means “tuner”, I think that’s normally “Ant”. However while I have X850B and X850G sets, I have not yet personally tried the newer J series.
OP | Post 3 made on Wednesday August 11, 2021 at 10:00
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Thanks Daniel.

That “TV” button is not for tuner/antenna but is rather some kind of macro (I’d say) that can setup the tv in some desired state including the selection of an input. Maybe it does not have an IR equivalent?

Not necessarily a big deal as long as I can find the codes to select the HDMI 1 input for my existing Pronto macro…

What would be a “recent reference”? (That’s why I was asking about the Excel code file that we find on this site)

Post 4 made on Wednesday August 11, 2021 at 18:01
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If you are akin to using IRScrutinizer, you can generate any code you need from data on the hifi-remote/sony page.

[Link: hifi-remote.com]

Try Sony Device 164 and these functions.
54
HD1 input, Component 1, LCD Video 3 (discrete)

55
HD2 input, Component 2, LCD Video 4 (discrete)

56
HD3 input (discrete)

Note that if you search the table on the site for video, there are discretes for Video1-Video9 which may or may not work for you.
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OP | Post 5 made on Wednesday August 11, 2021 at 18:31
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Thanks Lyndel, that looks like the codes I copy/pasted from the excel file mentioned above. Device 164 is the only one that had HDMI inputs and that did not work. :-(

Is copy/paste all I had to do though?


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Post 6 made on Thursday August 12, 2021 at 17:55
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Great, There's a spreadsheet here with all clean codes.

To be 100% sure, also try the other Video4 to Video9 using the codes in the spreadsheet. You can look them up from the website I posted above if needed.

71,72,73 from Device 01 (Video 4,5,6)
66 from Device 151 (Video 7)
101,102 from Device 119 (Video 8,9)
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Post 7 made on Friday August 13, 2021 at 03:51
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There's a spreadsheet here with all clean codes.

If it interests anyone: I have made a Girr version that can be directly imported into IrScrutinizer. It is available here: [Link: raw.githubusercontent.com]

Last edited by Barf on August 13, 2021 11:10.
OP | Post 8 made on Friday August 13, 2021 at 10:32
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Barf/Lyndel, if I use the codes in/from the excel spreadsheet, can’t I just copy and paste into PEP?

Isn’t IRScrutinizer for code generation? Into HEX? (I never used it)
Post 9 made on Friday August 13, 2021 at 11:24
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if I use the codes in/from the excel spreadsheet, can’t I just copy and paste into PEP?

Sure, if you are happy with that, fine.

Isn’t IRScrutinizer for code generation? Into HEX? (I never used it)

It can do that and much more. You can import a bunch of interesting commands, and generate a Pronto file containing those with a few key clicks. That file can then be imported into PEP.
OP | Post 10 made on Friday August 13, 2021 at 11:41
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On August 13, 2021 at 11:24, Barf said...
It can do that and much more. You can import a bunch of interesting commands, and generate a Pronto file containing those with a few key clicks. That file can then be imported into PEP.

Thanks for the quick reply Barf.

I downloaded both IrScrutinizer and your Girr file which I was able to read (into IrScrutinizer). I could see the commands I'm interested in but was not able to generate the Pronto file (because I did not yet figure out IrScrutinizer, not because it is not working).

As I am struggling with this, I pulled the old Harmony 700 from the basement and added in my Sony TV and was able to select the appropriate HDMI input without problem. :-) The code exists and works.

I used the Pronto learn mode with the Harmony 700 and the Pronto beeped quickly but the command does not work (from the Pronto). :-(

Last edited by Sylvain on August 13, 2021 21:40.
Post 11 made on Saturday August 14, 2021 at 06:12
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I downloaded both IrScrutinizer and your Girr file which I was able to read (into IrScrutinizer). I could see the commands I'm interested in but was not able to generate the Pronto file (because I did not yet figure out IrScrutinizer, not because it is not working).

When importing the file you get a tree selector. Select the part you want to import, and click "Import select./param". See this:



If you have suitable connected hardware (for exampe GlobalCache), you can shoot the signals directly, to test them. (Note that most (all?) Sony equipment needs at least three sends; that is pane Sending hw", the count dropbox.)

The go to the "Export" pane, select export format "ProntoClassic", and press "Export parametric remote". This will generate a .ccf file that can be imported in PEP.




Make sure you are sending three copies of the signal.

(Actually, my Sony TV (KD55AF9) accepts two, but definitely not one.)
OP | Post 12 made on Saturday August 14, 2021 at 09:33
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On August 14, 2021 at 06:12, Barf said...
When importing the file you get a tree selector. Select the part you want to import, and click "Import select./param". See this:
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(Actually, my Sony TV (KD55AF9) accepts two, but definitely not one.)

Thanks for the detailed info/instructions Barf.

I generated the HDMI command to a TXT file and copy/pasted into my Pronto config and that worked like a charm! Thank you. :-)

I did not generate to a CCF as I don't think PEP 2 can read CCF, can it?

BTW, I don't understand why the Harmony remote was working and not the Pronto with the code learned from the Harmony.

I compared the code generated by IrScrutinizer and the code that was learned with the Harmony and found only minor difference:

Code from IrScrutinizer (this one works):
0000 0068 0000 0010 0060 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0330

Code learned from Harmony (which is the same as is found in the RemoteCentral Excel file and did not work):
0000 0067 0000 0010 0060 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0030 0018 0030 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0018 0333

Last edited by Sylvain on August 15, 2021 10:42.
Post 13 made on Sunday August 15, 2021 at 01:33
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The timing differences in the codes you posted are negligible. However the codes are 'repeat-only' meaning that if used in macro, they might have problems. I know the NG remote line had issues with Sony codes that were repeat-only and they recommended a minumum 'Duration' be specified for the code.

You did not state how you were using them. i.e. in a button where the IR code was the only action or if the code was being used as part of a startup/shutdown macro.

Regarding CCF files....

You are correct that PEP2 cannot read CCF files, but PEP1 can import them and allow you to save an XCF. This allows you to test codes on a real Pronto. Before you can open this file with PEP2 and not have all the codes removed, you must first convert the learned codes into a MyDatabase codes.

After doing this, you can open the file in PEP2/3 and then save in that format.

See the PEP1 sticky thread in this forum.

I admit it is a lot of work to convert a large number of codes to MyDatabase but well worth it to not have to copy/paste code data.
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OP | Post 14 made on Sunday August 15, 2021 at 10:47
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On August 15, 2021 at 01:33, Lyndel McGee said...
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You did not state how you were using them. i.e. in a button where the IR code was the only action or if the code was being used as part of a startup/shutdown macro.

Both actually. I use the code in a startup macro and in a button for input selection. Both did not work with the learned code.

Regarding CCF files....

I admit it is a lot of work to convert a large number of codes to MyDatabase but well worth it to not have to copy/paste code data.

Noted. Thanks. I had forgotten about that. I don’t have many codes to do so cut and paste works for now. I am using the old Philips database Sony codes and they work but some are missing of course.


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