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Post 1 made on Tuesday January 9, 2007 at 05:30
Pambs
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Hello Guys!!!

1st post here so please be gentle ;)

I ve read a lot of things about the TSU 9600 and i want it badly!!!

I was about to do a crestron installation from a pro guy but seeing this(12v triggers and rs232 option) changed my mind. I thought i could spend the money from the crestron setup to better use eg. top pj and screen....

The issue is that i have never got involved with automation programming. the question is would you recomend this remote for a begginer? or it would be a waste of money at the end?

some of the stuff i would like to control

lutron grafik eye
infocus 5700
electric screen
3 intepended motors for roman blinds
Dvd player
Lexicon pro and amp

Thank you all
Post 2 made on Tuesday January 9, 2007 at 11:38
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Welcome to the forum.

Your needs can be handled by a less expensive control system, like the TSU9600 and RFX-9600 extender. However, it is not something for the faint-of-heart and typically, I would not recommend for a beginner. I think some of the more accomplished remote programmers would have their hands full with your configuration.

RS232 is typically challenging, etc.

I suspect your Crestron quote was 2-3x the cost of these products, including custom design and programming.

If you are interested in having it developed professionally, drop me an email or call.

Dave
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OP | Post 3 made on Wednesday January 10, 2007 at 01:57
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Actually it was like 8X the cost of the philips products. All those wall panels cost a lot hehe
Post 4 made on Thursday January 11, 2007 at 22:09
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On January 10, 2007 at 01:57, Pambs said...
Actually it was like 8X the cost of the philips products.
All those wall panels cost a lot hehe

And probably worth every penny I would venture to say.

Granted, we are a Crestron house and I get to play with their stuff every day. Almost every question that is asked here with an answer of no, is an answer of yes with Crestron.
When good enough is not good enough.
Post 5 made on Thursday January 11, 2007 at 22:29
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Almost every question that is asked
here with an answer of no, is an answer of yes with Crestron.

And almost every DIY opportunity that is a yes here, is a no with Crestron.
Post 6 made on Friday January 12, 2007 at 13:51
ddarche
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Certainly not saying anything against Crestron. The are the big player with great stuff that works great too.

Just getting the point out that there are many smaller control jobs in which the TSU9600 and the latest extenders, can do the job. Previously, Pronto could not play in this arena.

Dave
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Post 7 made on Saturday January 13, 2007 at 00:04
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On January 11, 2007 at 22:29, arthurpotts said...
And almost every DIY opportunity that is a yes here, is
a no with Crestron.

He brought up the Crestron install. And the Pronto is still not even close to being compared to Crestron when one looks at automation. All depend on what one want to accomplish.

Go with the Pronto and you are very limited. With Crestron anything is possible, and this goes way beyond a remote controlling one room. Lighting, HVAC, pool control, camera control and viewing from touchpanels, remote access, and on and on and on.

I am not putting down Philips here but there still is really no comparison when you get down to it.
When good enough is not good enough.
Post 8 made on Saturday January 13, 2007 at 00:24
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On January 13, 2007 at 00:04, roddymcg said...
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I am not putting down Philips here but there still is
really no comparison when you get down to it.

Makes one wonder why you are making the comparison. I am not putting Crestron down, they make excellent products that some applications warrant. But there are many installations that do not need Crestron. Besides, Philips can do much more than one room control. One can (as I do) control HVAC, security, whole house lighting, etc., with the Pronto, all at a fraction of the price.
Post 9 made on Saturday January 13, 2007 at 00:39
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On January 13, 2007 at 00:24, arthurpotts said...
Makes one wonder why you are making the comparison. I
am not putting Crestron down, they make excellent products
that some applications warrant. But there are many installations
that do not need Crestron. Besides, Philips can do much
more than one room control. One can (as I do) control
HVAC, security, whole house lighting, etc., with the Pronto,
all at a fraction of the price.

Did you read the original thread?? Both Crestron and Phillips are used by the poster. That is the only reason I pooped in this thread.

Just letting him know there are limits with Philips. Try seeing what the kides are up to via your remote control. We can see what they are watching on TV or what sites they are browsing from your touch panel. There is not much I can't do with a control system. The limits start to dissapear.

Of course all this comes with a price and is not for the DIY, but there really is no comparison.
When good enough is not good enough.
Post 10 made on Saturday January 13, 2007 at 02:46
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On January 13, 2007 at 00:39, roddymcg said...
Just letting him know there are limits with Philips. Try
seeing what the kides are up to via your remote control.
We can see what they are watching on TV or what sites
they are browsing from your touch panel.

If I cared about this sort of stuff, or the original poster did then either of us could buy Crestron. If he doesn't need it or want it, and the great majority don't, then he can get what he needs with something else. He can spend his money on something he does want or need. Since your earlier comments suggest that you don't really seem to understand the limits of Philips products, perhaps you should leave the comments as to the contraints to people that do understand them.

P.S. Perhaps you should re-read the original post. He was considering Philips and Crestron, he is not using them.
Post 11 made on Saturday January 13, 2007 at 03:51
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On January 13, 2007 at 02:46, arthurpotts said...
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If I cared about this sort of stuff, or the original poster
did then either of us could buy Crestron. If he doesn't
need it or want it, and the great majority don't, then
he can get what he needs with something else. He can
spend his money on something he does want or need. Since
your earlier comments suggest that you don't really seem
to understand the limits of Philips products, perhaps
you should leave the comments as to the contraints to
people that do understand them.

P.S. Perhaps you should re-read the original post. He
was considering Philips and Crestron, he is not using
them.

I have programmed well over a hundred Pronto's. I think I know them very well. I was also at Cedia when they unvailed the new unit and took their first training class with Dave. So have a clue when you make personal attacks on product knowledge.

How exactly did you get involved in this why does anybody care what you want, this was never about you.

Have you ever seen a Crestron system in action??
When good enough is not good enough.
Post 12 made on Sunday January 14, 2007 at 02:08
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On January 13, 2007 at 03:51, roddymcg said...
I have programmed well over a hundred Pronto's. I think
I know them very well. I was also at Cedia when they unvailed
the new unit and took their first training class with
Dave. So have a clue when you make personal attacks on
product knowledge.

How exactly did you get involved in this why does anybody
care what you want, this was never about you.

Have you ever seen a Crestron system in action??

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No one cares, get over yourself.
Post 13 made on Sunday January 14, 2007 at 12:35
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On January 14, 2007 at 02:08, arthurpotts said...
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No one cares, get over
yourself.

More intelligence in action...

Way to bring some intelligent debate to the table, are you a 6 year old?
When good enough is not good enough.
Post 14 made on Sunday January 14, 2007 at 15:01
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What's your problem?

Just answer Pambs question.
Most of us can't afford Crestron and and if you read what he want's to control, Crestron may be an overkill.
By the way, are you Pambs Crestron pro guy?
Best regards

hansen
Post 15 made on Sunday January 14, 2007 at 15:12
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On January 14, 2007 at 15:01, hansen said...
What's your problem?

Just answer Pambs question.
Most of us can't afford Crestron and and if you read what
he want's to control, Crestron may be an overkill.
By the way, are you Pambs Crestron pro guy?

I am not Pambs anything. What have you brought to the table here?

You are looking at close to 2k with the new Pronto and processor, plus programming. That is getting into Crestron $$. If his quote is for 8x more money than the Pronto set-up then there should be whole lot more going on. Or he has the wrong installer.

You are right, Crestron might be overkill, then again it might not be. Is there something wrong with knowing what all the options are out there. Where the Pronto stops, Crestron keeps going. I highly recommend playing with some of their product before passing judgement.

It also make for a much more intelligent debate.
When good enough is not good enough.
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