Not as safe as they hoped.  Not as safe as they are telling you.  This is from Pfizer’s own documents.

Assess your risk accordingly.

[Link: richardsonpost.com]

I arrived? Really? I started this entire thread.

And as far as the "reasonable discussion"? You need to do more listening to the few normal people on this thread who are telling you the god's honest truth about this pandemic. You are so far down the rabbit hole that you're about to do the human centipede with "Harry" Tuttle. A case in point - your link to an article on richardsonpost.com. A quick perusal of the site showed all sorts of articles promoting the "Q-ANON" crap, as well as the name of George Soros popping up everywhere and referring to him as an evil super-nazi who controls the world.

Still interested in some Homeopathic medicine? I can get you a deal on stuff the works way better than horse dewormer. In my earlier post about Homeopathy I said: "Just don't delete them too much or you may overdose". "Delete" should have been "Dilute". Thank you spell check.

Phew! A Joyous Christmas to you too!

Your style does not promote the exchange of ideas, good or bad nor even discussion of science.

Your style is not to read the message, but to look for a reason to shoot the messenger. Even though the website does not meet your standards, you failed to notice that it quoted government reports profusely. What don’t you like about the government’s own information? Oh, because it wasn’t on an approved website, then it goes from government data to garbage. The data says there are serious problems with vaccines.

Honestly, can’t you do any better than that?

you need to read , read, read and do some real research

1) none of what is in that blog makes any sense.

a)



so somehow we should believe that the FDA are trying to keep it all a secret, but the first thing they give is data that is "scary"

b)



that paper has absolutely nothing to do with what the FDA needed to supply (i.e. obviously the FDA did not make their "hasty decision" to allow the vaccine based on the results of the first 90 days after the roll out.)

c)

The UK did start in Dec Pfizer but they also started AstraZeneca in bigger numbers. You would assume any study from Pfizer on general population at the time should mostly be Isreal based.


2)

in their mission statement


Now I believe in free speech and I like hearing from others that don't agree with my view point, but it also means that we need more vigilance and confirmation from other independent sources nad not just easily accept what we see there as fact

3) yes some people have needed medical attention and have died from these vaccines But

a) at least here in Canada the numbers are very easy to find

[Link: health-infobase.canada.ca]

b) you need to compare them to the alternative which is catching Covid

c) some like anaphylaxis (allergic reaction) will be tied to the particular vaccine others like Myocarditis are tied to the fact that you are mimicking Covid-19 so some of the effects you can get from Covid-19 are bound to be there but in much milder and less dangerous ways.

Points taken, thanks for the data points.

I tried to get data from a website that wasn’t the kind that would set you off. There is lots more data but you would say, “Yeah, but that is coming from xxx and you know how they are.”

Alas, there is nothing I can offer. Just caution.

It’s a dangerous, frustrating time because all sides of every issue are claiming to have found the slam dunk, shut the other sides down statement or “fact” that will end further discussion, period. Any fact that you can claim is simply a lie and disproof of your alleged fact is unnecessary.

It’s ironic, with the internet we should have all the right data, but there is just enough to prove preconceived conclusions.

Peace and good health to all.

I am sorry if my post seemed to be dismissive, was not meant that way. I took the time to read the post and when I found too many inconsistencies in it I took the time to check the about us of the site (sometimes it can clarify things).

I did not take the time to go through the report, and maybe it would explain everything wrong in the blog, but at the end of the date with no provenance before hand, the data being almost a year old and only for the Pfizer vaccine I found it better to just go with Health Canada's numbers that are almost up to date and readily available.

So, am I to give equal weight to Alex Jones and the CDC?

No need, once you have decided which one is lying.

I guess so - but how does one decide who is lying?

The problem, as I see it, has everything to do with motivated reasoning.

The Horse De-wormer folks demand impossibly stringent standards for evidence
contrary to what they believe in, while uncritically accepting the flimsiest evidence that suits their need. They have gone way too far down the road to Lysenkoism to ever come back. What a pity and a waste. All it does is hamper the chances of ending this pandemic for good.

Having lived a long time, I have taken many vaccines. Some vaccines you can take once and done.  Measles, mumps, polio, seems like we licked them.

This covid doesn’t look like one of those.  It looks more like an influenza, where you get a shot yearly or periodically, to keep from getting ill.  But influenza eradication will never happen.  Covid acts like that.

Yes, but you have to take them. Unfortunately we've seen the return of the measles in some areas because people (mostly on the left of the political spectrum) refused to vaccinate their kids. It's why I'm so surprised to now find vaccine hesitation on the right when it comes to Covid. You've joined the crystal/chakra crowd!

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