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OT: CNN called on the carpet as fake news
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Post 16 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 18:58
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Y'all need to start reading the National Enquirer.


At least with that rag, you know its complete bullshit.
Post 17 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 19:30
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There is no one that should be allowed to call themselves a journalist that is on TV. The age of TV journalism ended when Dan Rather chose political activism over actual journalism. I have zero trust in any of the news channels. It's very sad.
Post 18 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 20:45
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I think one key issue really has more to do with the fact that way too many people on one side believe that everything the other side says is false and everything their side says is true, and they spend money based on that. The outcome of that is absolutely inevitable in a world where money is required to actually BE a news source of any note.

Another is that the internet has made it very difficult to MAKE any money actually doing real journalism, because it's just information and it will be immediately stolen and you get little for your work and investment. The outcome of that is also inevitable in a world where you need to SPEND money to generate actual real news.

Why is it that everyone complains about the way things are, and never about why things are they way they are? Maybe it's because we are all to blame for why things are they way they are most of the time, and it's a lot more comfortable to condemn others for what we've made them than to condemn ourselves.
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Post 19 made on Thursday January 12, 2017 at 04:02
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Good point. I stopped watching the news about 15 years ago because you do not get information anymore. You get opinions and speculation and spin about the information. And now you are not even sure you are getting accurate information at all.

I am not sure it would do any good to complain about why it is the way it is. As if we can turn it around and put things back as they were. I mean sure if someone had the money and did not care about getting any of it back, they might be able to start up a true news outlet that only supplied information and facts, it might catch on.

But anymore it is all about entertainment for the customer and $$$ for everyone on the other side. There is big profit in having a divided population.
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Post 20 made on Thursday January 12, 2017 at 11:01
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The media, the press in particular, used to be called the fourth estate or the 4th branch of government, because they fact checked and kept the other three honest.

Now the media is a propaganda arm for one side or the other. And people swallow it hook, line, and sinker, without reading on their own. As long as it lines up with your bias, it must be true. Easy manipulation.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." - Winston Churchill
Post 21 made on Thursday January 12, 2017 at 11:21
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I'll say it again. This thread does not belong here in the Custom Installers Forum. The fact that it has not been moved says to me that the moderators are up for a good Trump bashing, and are not just moving things that don't have to do with A/V.

This [Link: remotecentral.com] got moved but a thread bashing Trump is allowed to carry on? Bullshit.
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Post 22 made on Thursday January 12, 2017 at 11:26
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Wrong
Post 23 made on Thursday January 12, 2017 at 12:02
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FYI. The current NDAA law allows for the media to lie and spew propaganda for the government.

In other words all news media is now fake news.
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Post 24 made on Thursday January 12, 2017 at 14:46
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Back in the 'golden age' of news in this country, news never made money, it cost money. It was done because A) it was considered part of the payback required in return for owning a chunk of the public airwaves and B) it was a prestige issue for the major networks back when the general public could maybe still manage to look up prestige in a dictionary.

That eventually changed and the news outlets were forced to become their own self-funding entities. It all went downhill from there. Then the internet came along and it went even further downhill to where it is now.

This is one of those cases (a la health care) where capitalism (as much as I believe it's the most practical option otherwise) doesn't really work. There are certain things that are not optimally implemented by making money, and serious news reporting is one of them.

Sadly, given human nature, there is absolutely no practical, working solution to this problem, as there are no practical, working solutions to so many issues we face because we are incapable of making the concessions necessary to make them work.

We could, for instance, have a tax based pool of money available to specific, well known, non-aligned organizations. Such organizations do exist. They would be completely unrestrained in their use of it to investigate anything they want for some small number of years that they have that mandate. That would almost certainly create a lot of very useful information. But there's a snowflake's chance in hell that would ever happen. All the money would be spent in court fighting off partisans who will fight to death to make sure that any organization not aligned with them is labeled as partisan.

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Post 25 made on Thursday January 12, 2017 at 15:47
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On January 12, 2017 at 11:21, Ernie Gilman said...
I'll say it again. This thread does not belong here in the Custom Installers Forum. The fact that it has not been moved says to me that the moderators are up for a good Trump bashing, and are not just moving things that don't have to do with A/V.

This [Link: remotecentral.com] got moved but a thread bashing Trump is allowed to carry on? Bullshit.

Who bashing the Trump here? Mostly reads like media/press bashing to me.
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On January 12, 2017 at 11:21, Ernie Gilman said...
I'll say it again. This thread does not belong here in the Custom Installers Forum. The fact that it has not been moved says to me that the moderators are up for a good Trump bashing, and are not just moving things that don't have to do with A/V.

What then would we do with your history lesson from post 6? It didn't seem to bother you then so what's changed?

Post 27 made on Friday January 13, 2017 at 10:36
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On January 12, 2017 at 14:46, Dean Roddey said...
There are certain things that are not optimally implemented by making money, and serious news reporting is not one of them.

Multiple negatives in a sentence are kind of hard to follow, even when you're the one writing them. Let's take out a pair of negatives. It looks like you're saying "Certain things are optimally implemented by making money, and serious news reporting is one of them."

I think you only meant one of those negatives.

And as a matter of fact, is money has been made, news reporting can definitely be optimally implemented... but serious news reporting won't make money. I think that's what you were trying to say.
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Post 28 made on Friday January 13, 2017 at 11:13
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On January 13, 2017 at 10:36, Ernie Gilman said...
Multiple negatives in a sentence are kind of hard to follow, even when you're the one writing them. Let's take out a pair of negatives. It looks like you're saying "Certain things are optimally implemented by making money, and serious news reporting is one of them."

I think you only meant one of those negatives.

And as a matter of fact, is money has been made, news reporting can definitely be optimally implemented... but serious news reporting won't make money. I think that's what you were trying to say.

It could make money, if that's what people wanted, but thanks to Robin Leach and 'Lifestyles Of The Rich And Famous', sensationalism and escapism rule. So many people want to look into the lives of others and they completely neglect their own. By the time they look up, it's time to die and they still have the same problems that existed years before, they still haven't improved themselves, still haven't said what they needed to/should have, etc.

Hard news bores people, much like training videos make our eyes glaze.
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Post 29 made on Friday January 13, 2017 at 13:48
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Hard news doesn't bore people. Twenty four hours of trying to deliver "hard news" is simply impossible. It leads to embellishments, idiotic opinions, and sometimes just making stuff up.
Post 30 made on Friday January 13, 2017 at 13:48
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I think that the internet has moved us past the point where, even if people valued serious news and actually believed anything that went against their side's interests, that it still could be practical. You can spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a major investigation, and the moment you reveal it, it's all over the internet for free. No one has to come watch your station or buy your newspaper to get the whole story. While respect for ownership of information and digital content isn't absolute zero, it's not far from it these days.
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