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Post 1 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 13:06
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Finally someone with power stands up to clown news stations. remember the fake 8 women CNN paraded with sexual abuse claims? oops. shouldn't have played that card

The next 8, will be highly entertaining.

[Link: youtube.com]

Classic

Post 2 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 13:18
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You forgot the other fake news stations. Fox, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, they're all bullsh*t.
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OP | Post 3 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 13:18
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On January 11, 2017 at 13:18, kgossen said...
You forgot the other fake news stations. Fox, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, they're all bullsh*t.

Truth.

Post 4 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 13:23
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Pretty funny the video is from RT - a russian government funded news outlet.
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Post 5 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 13:31
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You see this video and think "its about time someone put cnn in their place"...while the rest of the world sees the video and thinks "holy S#!T this is exactly what Hitler did when he took power".
OP | Post 6 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 13:46
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On January 11, 2017 at 13:31, Mac Burks (39) said...
You see this video and think "its about time someone put cnn in their place"...while the rest of the world sees the video and thinks "holy S#!T this is exactly what Hitler did when he took power".

Or a result far less dramatic, we can wait and see what happens. Maybe push back will foster the return of journalism. Doubtful, I know.

Last edited by 24/7 on January 11, 2017 14:33.

Post 7 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 13:51
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Its still early...
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Post 8 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 14:06
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On January 11, 2017 at 13:51, FunHouse Texas said...
Its still early...

Best response ever!!!!!
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Post 9 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 14:12
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Well, the flaming wild-ass response came REALLY early in this thread! Mac's new topic needs some fleshing out.

I call Godwin's Law:
On January 11, 2017 at 13:31, Mac Burks (39) said...
You see this video and think "its about time someone put cnn in their place"...while the rest of the world sees the video and thinks "holy S#!T this is exactly what Hitler did when he took power".

And here's the law:
Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies) is an Internet adage which asserts that that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1" —​​that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler.

and
There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself) than others. For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned Hitler has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law.

I've also run into a corollary that I could not find in three minutes, so I can't cite a site, but it goes like this:
At some point, someone will mention Hitler with the express intention of bringing the discussion to a halt.

Let's get some information about this from Mike Godwin himself. In 2015 he wrote "Sure, call Trump a Nazi. Just make sure you know what you're talking about." It is a sobering call to just freakin' cut it out, because when you refer to Hitler, unless you've really studied history, you're calling on a simile that is monstrously out of scale. The article itself is at [Link: washingtonpost.com]

~~~~

I've heard a conservative commentator observe that "Being a liberal means never having to say you're sorry." When, in the next four years, it turns out that Trump never does anything anywhere near what Hitler did, Mac will not be shouting from the rooftops "I was wrong! I was wrong!" No, instead, his present assertion will stand in the past with no commentary from Mac.

Mac, please do the study of Hitler that Godwin did, then come back here and tell us if you actually believe what you said in your post.

One of the worst things about making such comments is that when mild irritating things are compared to Hitler, the monstrousness of Hitler is lessened. The Weimar Republic fell, at least in some part, because leftists called people fascists left and right, distorting and lessening the meaning of the word so badly that when real fascists came on the scene, Hitler and his brown shirts, nobody paid attention to the accurate warning that fascists were now, really, in their midst.

Lastly, I love this, that I ran across in my information search just now:
Cf. also Benford's Law of Controversy:
Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available.
- Gregory Benford, 1980.
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Post 10 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 14:14
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I don't think that we will reach the point of executions for press dissenting points of view, but there could easily be company death by bureaucratic harassment, law suits, and revocation of press credentials.

For private citizens there could be internment camps with charge backs to the originating country for the cost of processing and internment.

"Drain the swamp," you say? A swamp is usually drained into the pocket of a connected developer, never mind any environmental considerations. Only the strong and politically connected will flourish.
Post 11 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 14:25
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This has come to mind several times since I hear that comment recently:
It's hard to remember that the goal is to drain the swamp when you're up to your ass in alligators.

By the way, clearly, this is not a discussion among installers about installer topics. Yes, it's OT. Why isn't that an autmatic request to move the thread?
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Post 12 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 14:47
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At least when you "drain it", you can see who is standing and what for.
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Post 13 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 16:32
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Hiring hookers for golden showers? Sounds more like an Arkansas thing.
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Post 14 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 17:46
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On January 11, 2017 at 14:12, Ernie Gilman said...
Well, the flaming wild-ass response came REALLY early in this thread! Mac's new topic needs some fleshing out.

I call Godwin's Law:

And here's the law:

and

I've also run into a corollary that I could not find in three minutes, so I can't cite a site, but it goes like this:

Let's get some information about this from Mike Godwin himself. In 2015 he wrote "Sure, call Trump a Nazi. Just make sure you know what you're talking about." It is a sobering call to just freakin' cut it out, because when you refer to Hitler, unless you've really studied history, you're calling on a simile that is monstrously out of scale. The article itself is at [Link: washingtonpost.com]

~~~~

I've heard a conservative commentator observe that "Being a liberal means never having to say you're sorry." When, in the next four years, it turns out that Trump never does anything anywhere near what Hitler did, Mac will not be shouting from the rooftops "I was wrong! I was wrong!" No, instead, his present assertion will stand in the past with no commentary from Mac.

Mac, please do the study of Hitler that Godwin did, then come back here and tell us if you actually believe what you said in your post.

One of the worst things about making such comments is that when mild irritating things are compared to Hitler, the monstrousness of Hitler is lessened. The Weimar Republic fell, at least in some part, because leftists called people fascists left and right, distorting and lessening the meaning of the word so badly that when real fascists came on the scene, Hitler and his brown shirts, nobody paid attention to the accurate warning that fascists were now, really, in their midst.

Lastly, I love this, that I ran across in my information search just now:
available.

Do you think that Godwins law was applied to Hitler when people said "come on man...he wouldn't really do that".

Everyone who ever says the nonsense Ernie just spouted is forgetting something...All the time between when Hitler began to take power and when he actually had it. Hitler didn't tour the country telling people he would starve the Jews to death and experiment on the gypsies. He started by saying things like deport them and put them in a database.

Carry on with your assumption that Trump is a mild irritating thing.
Post 15 made on Wednesday January 11, 2017 at 17:49
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On January 11, 2017 at 13:46, 24/7 said...
Or a result far less dramatic, we can wait and see what happens. Maybe push back will foster the return of journalism. Doubtful, I know.

I was less dramatic and waited to see what happened with Bush. In 8 years he destroyed the economy, invaded a sovereign nation to settle a score for his oil man daddy...who didn't have the balls to do it himself in the 90's...and then made it legal to torture prisoners...many of which were US citizens being held for years without charges.

When government starts "pushing back" on journalism...journalism that doesn't praise the politician like a golden shower...journalism is dead.
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