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How long does it take to become proficient in Simpl?
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Post 1 made on Monday May 21, 2012 at 21:16
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I can say I have given very little real effort but how long does it take to crank out super basic systems comfortably?

Super basic- QMRMC with ipad control

The most I would even program would be MLX3, MC3, and a light switch or two.

How long should it take if I dedicated a few hours a week just to programming. Have all the gear at home. I am doing everything I can to stick with Crestron only for mid-grade plus systems but I am back to weighing my RTI (programmend in-house) vs. Crestron options.

Just an FYI but I am not a fan of SB at all so don't want to look at it as an option? I have taken just the essentials but need to retake it of course.
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Post 2 made on Monday May 21, 2012 at 21:24
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a long effing time!!
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OP | Post 3 made on Monday May 21, 2012 at 21:27
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lol. Ed do you do any programming in house? Meaning are you tackling Simpl regularly?
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Post 4 made on Monday May 21, 2012 at 21:29
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On May 21, 2012 at 21:16, longshot16 said...
I can say I have given very little real effort but how long does it take to crank out super basic systems comfortably?

Super basic- QMRMC with ipad control

The most I would even program would be MLX3, MC3, and a light switch or two.

How long should it take if I dedicated a few hours a week just to programming. Have all the gear at home. I am doing everything I can to stick with Crestron only for mid-grade plus systems but I am back to weighing my RTI (programmend in-house) vs. Crestron options.

Just an FYI but I am not a fan of SB at all so don't want to look at it as an option? I have taken just the essentials but need to retake it of course.

It will depend on your aptitude and the time you have to dedicate to learning Simpl. Honestly, if you are only doing basic systems then SB is the best route. It tends to take awhile to understand the backend but once you get it; it doesn't take too much time to program up a small system
OP | Post 5 made on Monday May 21, 2012 at 21:32
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I tried to work out the back end of System builder for well over a year. Not worth my time.

Are you programming in Simpl?
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Post 6 made on Monday May 21, 2012 at 21:39
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Not being able to program in simpl is the only thing that holds me back from even considering quoting Crestron on jobs even though I'm supposed to be a dealer. The reps are doing a great job of trying to help me do well with Crestron but all I can do is tell them I don't feel confident with selling the product not being able to program it well. In times like these it's hard to get enough work to practice or to be able to sell such high-end equipment.
OP | Post 7 made on Monday May 21, 2012 at 21:51
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I feel the same except I have a great relationship with my CAIP. Know him for years so I do have that issue for most systems. I am trying to master one brand and focus on Crestron Only. If I do so for years I know it will become second nature. I can tell you just loading systems and setting up his prot forwarding has gotten me very familiar with toolbox and all the features it holds. I have programmed my old house in Simpl (hardly worked right when I made simple changes). It took me a very long time but once I got it up an running it was really nice to find everything easily to make changes.


I know System Builder is meant for basic stuff or all Crestron only type projects but I simply hated digging through it trying to find sh*t.
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Post 8 made on Monday May 21, 2012 at 22:12
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On May 21, 2012 at 21:32, longshot16 said...
I tried to work out the back end of System builder for well over a year. Not worth my time.

Are you programming in Simpl?

If you can't figure out SystemBuilder what makes you think SIMPL will be any easier? SB is just like most of the over brands software just way more powerful. You can easily build a large integrated system with SB if you want to.
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OP | Post 9 made on Monday May 21, 2012 at 22:15
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On May 21, 2012 at 22:12, kgossen said...
If you can't figure out SystemBuilder what makes you think SIMPL will be any easier? SB is just like most of the over brands software just way more powerful. You can easily build a large integrated system with SB if you want to.

Not saying one is easier. System builders black magic affect left a negative feeling.

Are you doing Simpl?
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Post 10 made on Monday May 21, 2012 at 22:30
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On May 21, 2012 at 22:15, longshot16 said...
Not saying one is easier. System builders black magic affect left a negative feeling.

I can feel your pain, I fear what i don't understand and SB kind of makes you have some blind faith.

Where SB is nice is if you add an interface, it builds it for you, when you have 16 zones of audio, it saves a ton of time.

We've spent 3 days programming an iPad app for a big distributed system using RTI,

if it were crestron, I could have dragged my interface into the project and been done.

I just finished Essentials for the second time, it made so much more sense to me after my minimal crestron sales the second time just because I've been playing with it a bit. The first time I took it I was in way over my head, I just wish I had the time to play with it more, but between a good work flow, sitting for 2+ hours a day in traffic, my wife and daughter, not a ton of time to become a programmer. You really need to dedicate yourself to becomming a programmer to be one with Crestron, I'll probably always be just a guy that can tweak an existing project and when I don't sub out my stuff to a caip, it will be SB. I'd almost rather just have them do it though, if you break a SB project it can take hours to fix.
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Post 12 made on Monday May 21, 2012 at 23:22
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Took me a week to program a theater room with an MC2W and mt-1000. Just nights after regular hours. I went to essentials about a week later. Figured out some better ways to do things. I have a very week programming background.

I'd say 20 hours is enough time to get the basics down and program single room systems. Downloading example programs from Crestron and reverse engineering is a decent way. Dissecting them. Helped a ton.

Make friends with a CAIP and having them there to help with questions, will make you more confident in selling the product

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