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Post 1 made on Sunday March 21, 2010 at 16:10
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We just signed a nice deal with a client. 12 zones of Adagio. He now wants to add intercom and would like to have paging and intercom. He would like to page over the Crestron zone speakers. Also wants a front door call station on the intercom. Any ideas which manufacturer could accomodate integrating this with Crestron?

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Post 2 made on Sunday March 21, 2010 at 16:36
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www.eholovision.com

New website so i cant find a link to the crestron package. Its basically just a Crestron IIF attached to their standard entry cam/intercom.

This is not a plug n play System Builder piece. You will need a Crestron programmer to use it IMO. They have a tech there that can answer your questions better than i can.

We used TPS-6L's and assorted wired touchpanels for intercomming & camera viewing and it turned out really well.

Door chime can be heard over the DA speakers also.
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OP | Post 3 made on Sunday March 21, 2010 at 17:35
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Interesting. I will give them a call tomorrow.

Has anyone ever intergated the Elan COM2, or Russound Compoint with Crestron?
Post 4 made on Sunday March 21, 2010 at 17:42
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A little bit of a less sophisticated system would be a Russound compoint system. No other integration but you can use DA speakers and paging
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OP | Post 5 made on Sunday March 21, 2010 at 18:05
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I just looked at the specs on the compoint and it looks like you loop the speaker wire through the intercom station? That would mean you couldnt do whole home paging without adding a room station to every DA zone?
Post 6 made on Sunday March 21, 2010 at 19:05
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What exactly are you trying to achieve? Room to room intercom? Or do you just need front door call station with paging over the d/a speakers and 2 way communication over the phones?
Post 7 made on Sunday March 21, 2010 at 19:25
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Off topic a bit, but how many UI are going to be in this 12 zone Adagio? Are you programming in Simpl or Systembuilder? You want to pay attention to the number of bi-directional UI you are using with Adagio, particularly when you begin to add cool features.

Alan
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OP | Post 8 made on Sunday March 21, 2010 at 19:26
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On March 21, 2010 at 19:05, TreDEE said...
What exactly are you trying to achieve? Room to room intercom? Or do you just need front door call station with paging over the d/a speakers and 2 way communication over the phones?

Ideally it would be whole home paging over the DA speakers and intercom communication through the phones and 2 way communication with the front door. Elan has a piece that does this so this is what I'm looking for.

Cheers,
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Post 9 made on Sunday March 21, 2010 at 22:21
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On March 21, 2010 at 19:26, Gman-north said...
Ideally it would be whole home paging over the DA speakers and intercom communication through the phones and 2 way communication with the front door. Elan has a piece that does this so this is what I'm looking for.

Cheers,
G

The Elan piece works pretty well, ive used a few way back and havent had any issues, however i have not used one with Crestron but im sure someone here has.
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Post 10 made on Sunday March 21, 2010 at 22:55
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On March 21, 2010 at 16:36, 39 Cent Stamp said...
www.eholovision.com

We used TPS-6L's and assorted wired touchpanels for intercomming & camera viewing and it turned out really well.

Really? You didn't have any feedback on the large panels and paging speakers caused by the mic and internal speaker on the 6L being next to each other and there being no separate mic level on the 6L?

We got crushed twice by that and won't try it again with 6Ls. Too bad really as it could be such a kick ass system with the IADS and the IVDS.
Post 11 made on Sunday March 21, 2010 at 23:46
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The Holovision front entry stations look fantastic, just dripping with class.

I've only seen these mentioned with Panasonic, and Crestron, but it seems they could be integrated with any alarm, for access control, or as a standalone unit for access.

FYI, Crestron models listed under specs of each series, on the eholovision site.
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OP | Post 12 made on Monday March 22, 2010 at 06:37
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On March 21, 2010 at 19:25, Audible Solutions said...
Off topic a bit, but how many UI are going to be in this 12 zone Adagio? Are you programming in Simpl or Systembuilder? You want to pay attention to the number of bi-directional UI you are using with Adagio, particularly when you begin to add cool features.

Alan

Alan,

There is going to be:
1 - AES-SR
1 -CEN IDOCV
3 - TPMC-4SM
9 - APAD
3 - ML-600

12 Zones and 5 sub zones of audio

This one, will be programmed in Simpl

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Post 13 made on Monday March 22, 2010 at 06:46
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On March 21, 2010 at 22:55, ejfiii said...
Really? You didn't have any feedback on the large panels and paging speakers caused by the mic and internal speaker on the 6L being next to each other and there being no separate mic level on the 6L?

We got crushed twice by that and won't try it again with 6Ls. Too bad really as it could be such a kick ass system with the IADS and the IVDS.

My mistake. Its a TPS-4000L that is being used not a 6L. I do have a project with 6L's and holovision IAD/IVD's but intercomming wasn't completed while i was there. No other wired panels, 6L at the front and rear door with holovision at the gate and outside the front door.

On a side note.. i did waste a whole day learning the hard way that the speaker for the 6L is a separate order. The onboard speaker is for key clicks :).
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Post 14 made on Monday March 22, 2010 at 07:24
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On March 22, 2010 at 06:37, Gman-north said...
Alan,

There is going to be:
3 - TPMC-4SM
9 - APAD
3 - ML-600

This one, will be programmed in Simpl

Run this by Crestron immediately! Find someone who knows the Adagio very well. Based on my experience you are going to be in VERY BIG TROUBLE. The limit based on my experience is 6-8 bi-directional devices. You have 12.

We 6 APADs, 2 8x and 3 ML-600 and the processor crashed. I was told by ATSG that 12 bi-directional UIs was the limit the processor could handle. Only you cannot add any logic to that system so it's sort of useless metric. Get Crestron to certify this design. Programming in Simpl will get you an other 2 meg in free space--and you will need it. But I don't think the Adagio has the RAM for this design, unless you have other processors in the system you've left out. If I am correct and you have issues but Crestron has certified the design you will be able to get them to help you out. If this is your design and all hell breaks loose you may have to beg for help. If I'm mistaken the few minutes it will take to confirm the design will work will be worth the effort.

Before you begin engineering the cool features you might want to make sure the basic design is going to work. You may find at MC2E/AAE is required for this design. If I am in error, great. But if I am correct you will want to fix this long before you install and certainly prior to ordering the equipment.

Having been down this path I do not think I am in error. But with new firmware the APAD may not be the memory hog it was when we overwhelmed the processor. Find out. Oh, yes, if Crestron says this design will work, get it in writing.

Alan
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Post 15 made on Monday March 22, 2010 at 08:52
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On March 22, 2010 at 06:46, 39 Cent Stamp said...
My mistake. Its a TPS-4000L that is being used not a 6L. I do have a project with 6L's and holovision IAD/IVD's but intercomming wasn't completed while i was there. No other wired panels, 6L at the front and rear door with holovision at the gate and outside the front door.

On a side note.. i did waste a whole day learning the hard way that the speaker for the 6L is a separate order. The onboard speaker is for key clicks :).

So you have a house with 6Ls used as intercoms but you weren't there when it was brought online to know if there was an issue? I would imagine you would have heard about it if there were any.

Like the mythical Loch Ness Monster and Sasquatch I have heard of successful IADS deployments using the 6L internal mic and speaker yet I have no hard evidence that they actually exist. The final nail in the coffin for me was when ATSG told me there would be no FW or HW fix for the mic not having a level control. Too bad really as the 6L is a great panel otherwise and I am forced to continue to implement phone systems for intercom functionality.
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