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coming in on an Adagio takeover job - Questions
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Post 1 made on Wednesday March 14, 2012 at 12:48
cgav
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We are new(ish) to crestron. Mostly just Prodigy and MC3's so far.

Bidding on a takeover job for a current Adagio customer. They have the house set up as 6 zones of audio from Adagio and then a Home theater served by an Integra receiver.

Now, they've set up the Home Theater as a one-room system with an RTI remote. It doesn't talk to the crestron at all. His remote is crapping out on him (RTI T1) and I'd like to give him a crestron remote that controls all aspects of the system. What remote(s) are compatible with Adagio? And I mean easily compatible.
Post 2 made on Wednesday March 14, 2012 at 12:58
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RTI and URC remotes can be used with the Adagio, using either an IR or RF receiver.

However, it would be a lot easier (to program) if you use a Crestron remote. The 3 most-popular models are the MLX-3, MTX-3, and ML600.
Post 3 made on Wednesday March 14, 2012 at 14:16
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On March 14, 2012 at 12:58, Tony Golden said...
RTI and URC remotes can be used with the Adagio, using either an IR or RF receiver.

However, it would be a lot easier (to program) if you use a Crestron remote. The 3 most-popular models are the MLX-3, MTX-3, and ML600.

To add to Tony's response,

Is all the equipment in the same area? If not are you able to get wires to the Adagio system? What Adagio unit are they currently using AES/AADS?

What sources are sources currently being shared between the Adagio system and Home Theatre?

Since you are more into the Prodigy stuff I am going to assume you will be programming using SB??

If programming in SB I don't believe Adagio Composer allows you to create a Multi-room system as well as home theatre using the templates like Prodigy composer does. This is possible by adding the devices and controls for each but then having to build pages to accommodate. May not take you too long depending on your programming ablilties.

If you are programming in SB I would not recommend the ML-600. Although a great remote it isn't SB friendly as it doesn't allow you to make 2 home screens (we have a few jobs out with this problem). If you want the work around let me know.

I would recommend either the MLX or MTX 3 to replace the RTI remote. Your life will be much easier to program the remotes and you receive feedback as to volume and room status.
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OP | Post 4 made on Wednesday March 14, 2012 at 14:55
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Its the AADS. All Equipment for the whole house (Crestron AADS and Home Theater) is in the same closet.

I assume with those Crestron remotes, I have to have the accompanying either RF or EX gateway?

He's going to crap in his pants when I hand him a design with a $1100 remote that is replacing his $300 RTI T1.

He can always go back to the seperate systems I guess if it's too much. I cant wait to get back in and take pictures of this. It's nuts.

If you're not going to have Crestron under 1 umbrella, I don't understand the logic of multiple systems. All RTI with an AD8 would have been a better choice in my opinion. Or all Crestron.

Is the MLX-3 easily modified? He currently uses the RTI T1, where he hits one button and he's watching Cable Box. With the MLX-3 unmodified, I'm 2 button presses at the minimum with stock SB Programming.
Post 5 made on Wednesday March 14, 2012 at 15:15
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MLX-3 not available in SB for Crestron at this time must use Simpl and VTPro. PLX3 available in SB for Prodigy.
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Post 6 made on Wednesday March 14, 2012 at 16:05
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On March 14, 2012 at 15:15, kgossen said...
MLX-3 not available in SB for Crestron at this time must use Simpl and VTPro. PLX3 available in SB for Prodigy.

Wasn't aware, thanks for the info.

We have stopped programming in SB due to issues like this where you are limited in products, Also the fact that wired SHITE happens when working outside the box of SB. Troubleshooting SB also a PIA

cgav, when you get some time I would highly recommend trying to program a small job in Simpl. Even if its just a basic TV with HD box and Blu-ray player. This will get you into the process learning Simpl and transfering over to it some day.

When we first started out we were like you and used SB on every job for ease of use and programmability. Now that we have found all these problems they become a PITA and cost us money troubleshooting.
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Post 7 made on Thursday March 15, 2012 at 07:50
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System builder "as easy as it may seem" is actually quite the learning experience. If you take the time to actually learn how to use the software it is a very powerful tool. You can do alot with it. I would recommend not letting system builder build anything for you. You do the programming yourself with a custom gui.
Post 8 made on Friday March 16, 2012 at 10:22
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System Builder seems easy at first, but it is very easy to break something in the GUI building process if you let SB handle that part.
We also have a custom GUI with our own pre designed GUI in the few panel sizes that we use. Having SB building the GUIs just doesn't work in the long run.

Still quicker then programming everything in SIMPL though and just as fine if you know what you are doing.
Post 9 made on Saturday March 24, 2012 at 10:51
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In my home system before I went away from Adagio, I had an AADS and a theater. The theater I had as part of the system by tricking SB into thinking it was the 7th zone on an AAE (which didnt exist in the actual system). I used an RTI T2C to control the system via a Crestron 433 antenna. (However, that was a huge PITA, and its just as well to get a Crestron remote). But by keeping the theater on as the 7th zone, I was able to get some feedback onto my touchpanels as to if the zone was on or off and what source was chosen. To control the volume in the theater from the touchpanel as if it were a true Crestron zone, I had to build some hidden buttons with programming that would override the default volume commands when the theater was chosen, Ive done this to several customers systems as well with good success now that I've worked through the bugs.
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Post 10 made on Saturday March 24, 2012 at 12:41
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I really like to learn how to programme creatron system, any advice on how to?
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OP | Post 11 made on Saturday March 24, 2012 at 20:03
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On March 24, 2012 at 12:41, Lemojo said...
I really like to learn how to programme creatron system, any advice on how to?

I can't think of any possible way unless you get a job somewhere that sells Crestron. You can take the classes to get certified, but it would cost thousands without being a dealer or working for a dealer.
Post 12 made on Sunday March 25, 2012 at 06:56
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If you want feedback on the remote you will need to use the MTX-3 plus the EX gateway. If you dont need feedback you can use the ML-600 with the RF gateway. The distance from the remote to the gateway needs to be considered.

The RF gateway has better range. You may need an extender or 2 for the ex remote..... depending..


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