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Crestron TPMCV15.....no ability to add HD cable box ? WTF?
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Post 1 made on Thursday October 21, 2010 at 17:34
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As I understand, (and I hope I am wrong) the beautiful new Crestron TPMCV15 panel has no ability to add HD video content (unless streamed) . the only video input is composite! The old model TPMC12 and 15 had ability to do composite and component. The solution is to add a very exspensive outboard box to a V15 panel....about $6000 more for client. How could ability to do HD video content could have been miss on the new TMPCV12 and V15.....or am I missing something?

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Post 2 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 04:16
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I think you are right. The "regular" V15 with the DGE1 seems that will only do composite and video. You need the DGE2 for HD. But is the DGE2 6k more than the DGE1?

P.S. Is the TPMCV15 the same price as a V15 and DGE1?
Post 3 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 06:43
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On October 21, 2010 at 17:34, scoop city said...
As I understand, (and I hope I am wrong) the beautiful new Crestron TPMCV15 panel has no ability to add HD video content (unless streamed) . the only video input is composite! The old model TPMS12 and 15 had ability to do composite and component. The solution is to add a very exspensive outboard box to a V15 panel....about $6000 more for client. How could ability to do HD video content could have been miss on the new TMPC12 and 15.....or am I missing something?

You're missing a lot.

1. First of all, what is a TPMS12 and 15?

TPS12 & 15 could NOT accept a high res video input - 480i only. TPMC12CH & TPMC15CH could not either- they had a single 480i composite input. TPMC17 had dual video inputs with crestron Home cat5 HD inputs but it has been discontinued for for more than a year.

TPS12GQM TPS15GQM & TPS17GQM could all accept dual high res video inputs BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE A QMTX SENDING VIDEO TO IT at $1100 each.

Lets break it down for you:

TPS12GQM at 800x600 (why would you even want hd video on a 800x600 display?) is $8k with no video signal. TPMCV12 is composite only for $6800.

Regular old V12 with a DGE1 is also $6800. That also gets you composite video. You could get the V12 by itself for $3600 and a DGE2 for $6k and you get dual high res inputs but why on an 800x600 panel? $9600 is less than a TPS12GQM with two QMTX transmitters.



TPS15GQM at 1024x768 (again, not HD) can accept two hd video inputs using two QMTX transmitters as above. Panel price is $10k before the QMTX units.

TPMCV15 is composite only at 1280x768 for $8k.

Like the V12 above, a V15 with DGE2 will have dual hd video inputs for a total of $10,400. Compare that to $10,400 for a TPS15GQM with two QMTX transmitters for a 4:3 panel.

TPS17GQM is 1280x1024 at $12k with no video or $14,400 with two QMTX transmitters.

V15 with DGE2 and 2 hd inputs is $10,400 as above. Same resolution panel, obviously better form factor and graphics.


How exactly are the V panels a step back?
Post 4 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 08:21
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On October 22, 2010 at 06:43, ejfiii said...
You're missing a lot.

1. First of all, what is a TPMS12 and 15?

TPS12 & 15 could NOT accept a high res video input - 480i only. TPMC12CH & TPMC15CH could not either- they had a single 480i composite input. TPMC17 had dual video inputs with crestron Home cat5 HD inputs but it has been discontinued for for more than a year.

TPS12GQM TPS15GQM & TPS17GQM could all accept dual high res video inputs BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE A QMTX SENDING VIDEO TO IT at $1100 each.

Lets break it down for you:

TPS12GQM at 800x600 (why would you even want hd video on a 800x600 display?) is $8k with no video signal. TPMCV12 is composite only for $6800.

Regular old V12 with a DGE1 is also $6800. That also gets you composite video. You could get the V12 by itself for $3600 and a DGE2 for $6k and you get dual high res inputs but why on an 800x600 panel? $9600 is less than a TPS12GQM with two QMTX transmitters.

TPS15GQM at 1024x768 (again, not HD) can accept two hd video inputs using two QMTX transmitters as above. Panel price is $10k before the QMTX units.

TPMCV15 is composite only at 1280x768 for $8k.

Like the V12 above, a V15 with DGE2 will have dual hd video inputs for a total of $10,400. Compare that to $10,400 for a TPS15GQM with two QMTX transmitters for a 4:3 panel.

TPS17GQM is 1280x1024 at $12k with no video or $14,400 with two QMTX transmitters.

V15 with DGE2 and 2 hd inputs is $10,400 as above. Same resolution panel, obviously better form factor and graphics.

How exactly are the V panels a step back?

Word.
OP | Post 5 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 12:00
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On October 22, 2010 at 06:43, ejfiii said...
You're missing a lot.

TPS12 & 15 could NOT accept a high res video input - 480i only. TPMC12CH & TPMC15CH could not either- they had a single 480i composite input. TPMC17 had dual video inputs with crestron Home cat5 HD inputs but it has been discontinued for for more than a year.

TPS12GQM TPS15GQM & TPS17GQM could all accept dual high res video inputs BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE A QMTX SENDING VIDEO TO IT at $1100 each.

Lets break it down for you:

TPS12GQM at 800x600 (why would you even want hd video on a 800x600 display?) is $8k with no video signal. TPMCV12 is composite only for $6800.

Regular old V12 with a DGE1 is also $6800. That also gets you composite video. You could get the V12 by itself for $3600 and a DGE2 for $6k and you get dual high res inputs but why on an 800x600 panel? $9600 is less than a TPS12GQM with two QMTX transmitters.

TPS15GQM at 1024x768 (again, not HD) can accept two hd video inputs using two QMTX transmitters as above. Panel price is $10k before the QMTX units.

TPMCV15 is composite only at 1280x768 for $8k.

Like the V12 above, a V15 with DGE2 will have dual hd video inputs for a total of $10,400. Compare that to $10,400 for a TPS15GQM with two QMTX transmitters for a 4:3 panel.

TPS17GQM is 1280x1024 at $12k with no video or $14,400 with two QMTX transmitters.

V15 with DGE2 and 2 hd inputs is $10,400 as above. Same resolution panel, obviously better form factor and graphics.

How exactly are the V panels a step back?

My point is that in this day and age, and with products that we design, sell and program into our clients homes , I am surprised that something like a "higher resolution" video input is not available for the likes of new models of touchpanels. To me , it is a no brainer and I don't think the client should have to spend thousands more to have it.

Having a composite video input (welcome to the eighties) from a cable box or Apple TV to a 800x600 or 1280x1024 display, is certainly not the same as a component or HDMI (remember this is what we are supposed to embrace for Hollywood) video input from a cable box or Apple to 800x600 or 1280x1024 Crestron panel. I don’t think the client should not have to pay thousands of dollars more to get this simple feature.

Clients want higher resolution TV feeds on their large control panels in their kitchen walls or counter tops. We are in the integration business, and call me crazy, but it makes sense to me that if you have a 15" control panel in your home it is almost a given, that it should do that. Clients do not want a 15" panel and a 19" TV right beside it. We are in the business to de-clutter wall acne as much as we are in the control business. (speaking of residential market)

I feel this is a “huge “ oversight on one little detail.

Clients might as well just get an iPad app. (then no one will make any money but Stevie boy.)
Post 6 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 13:43
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On October 22, 2010 at 12:00, scoop city said...
My point is that in this day and age, and with products that we design, sell and program into our clients homes , I am surprised that something like a "higher resolution" video input is not available for the likes of new models of touchpanels. To me , it is a no brainer and I don't think the client should have to spend thousands more to have it.

Having a composite video input (welcome to the eighties) from a cable box or Apple TV to a 800x600 or 1280x1024 display, is certainly not the same as a component or HDMI (remember this is what we are supposed to embrace for Hollywood) video input from a cable box or Apple to 800x600 or 1280x1024 Crestron panel. I don’t think the client should not have to pay thousands of dollars more to get this simple feature.

Clients want higher resolution TV feeds on their large control panels in their kitchen walls or counter tops. We are in the integration business, and call me crazy, but it makes sense to me that if you have a 15" control panel in your home it is almost a given, that it should do that. Clients do not want a 15" panel and a 19" TV right beside it. We are in the business to de-clutter wall acne as much as we are in the control business. (speaking of residential market)

I feel this is a “huge “ oversight on one little detail.

Clients might as well just get an iPad app. (then no one will make any money but Stevie boy.)

Did you even read my post?

I can promise you that I have sold and installed more 15" and 17" crestron panels than most or all on this board and it doesn't seem like you have sold any of the old ones?

I clearly pointed out that there were NO panels you mentioned in your post that offer anything other than composite inputs. The only HD video input units required transmitters that made them more expensive than the current Vpanels with the DGE2 which has HDMI input (among others).

Re-read my post and pay attention to the model numbers and prices. Then figure out exactly what you are complaining about.
Post 7 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 14:44
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Exactly what EJ said. And it seems from what EJ posted that the EDG2 is 2.8k more than the EDG1 - I do not have a price yet. So this is how much it costs to go from composite to HDMI if you need it and not 6k as you posted. Considering what you want to achieve it is not that much since you now require another output in the DM switcher so you are already talking about an expensive system anyway. If you managed to sell the V15 or a number of V15s and the DM then upgrading them to the EDG2 is not that difficult. Or just do not send video to the touchpanel - they can live without that anyway.
OP | Post 8 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 15:43
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So.....Crestron TPMCV12 or 15 panels cannot take a high def feed..... no matter what, only composite! I guess I better get over it ,cause that is the facts aparrently.

If client want "higher def" video feed on new panels, you have to add $8000.00 outboard video proccessor DGE2 to a V12 or V15 panel.

So I think I answered my own questions.

IMHO this is a major step backwards, at least in the residential arena. Pricing typically should go down substantially for newer models.
The TPMCV12 and 15 with no ability but composite is a shock. the old models you could do it with $1000.00" black box"

I personally beleive it is a major oversite....

Last edited by scoop city on October 22, 2010 15:56.
Post 9 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 16:31
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On October 22, 2010 at 13:43, ejfiii said...

I can promise you that I have sold and installed more 15" and 17" crestron panels than most or all on this board and it doesn't seem like you have sold any of the old ones?

Lets go with most...............
OP | Post 10 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 16:49
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I've done one 15" and one 17".....top that!
Post 11 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 17:27
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On October 22, 2010 at 15:43, scoop city said...
So.....Crestron TPMCV12 or 15 panels cannot take a high def feed..... no matter what, only composite! I guess I better get over it ,cause that is the facts aparrently.

If client want "higher def" video feed on new panels, you have to add $8000.00 outboard video proccessor DGE2 to a V12 or V15 panel.

So I think I answered my own questions.

IMHO this is a major step backwards, at least in the residential arena. Pricing typically should go down substantially for newer models.
The TPMCV12 and 15 with no ability but composite is a shock. the old models you could do it with $1000.00" black box"

I personally beleive it is a major oversite....

I believe you still have not grasped my post.

V12 and V15 cannot work without a DGE1 or a DGE2. So a HD V15 is not $8k more than a SD V15. Its the difference in price between the DGE1 and the DGE2 which is $2400 (pricing the DGE1 and Vpanel in a bundle).
Post 12 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 17:28
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On October 22, 2010 at 16:31, Chris Myers said...

Lets go with most...............

You go first.......................................................................
Post 13 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 18:02
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On October 22, 2010 at 17:28, ejfiii said...
You go first.......................................................................

Definitely not at the levels you play but first two Crestron projects got 5 V15s - possibly with DGE2. 3 in the first project and 2 in the second one. Second one we are thinking to upgrade one of the V15s to the V24 if available by summertime.
Post 14 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 18:04
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Can't wait for the V24.
OP | Post 15 made on Friday October 22, 2010 at 18:24
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ejfiii,

I am not a complete incompetant.


I know the V12, V15 are "dumb" units , for lack of better words.
I know you need an $8000.00 DGE2 to make the V12 or V15 to work as control and HD panels.
I know you need a $4000.00 DGE1 to make the V12 or V15 to work as control and composite vdeo only panels.
I now know you can't get any, not any, HD source (except streaming) to the TPMCV12 and TPMCV15 panels.

My point is......I personaly cannot beleive Crestron does not have a more cost effective way to get a frikkin higher definition TV feed to a frikkin high end panel!!! It is a upcharge of $4,400.00 plus programming for the client to get a feed to watch Oprah in high def in the kitchen panel!

I guess unlike you, myself and my clients don't want to watch composite video feeds.

In commercial work maybe they have deeper wallets and this extra cost doesn't phase them, but in residential, even if the job is low six figures, this is major sticker shock.


ejfiii, I believe you still have not grasped my post.

Why does this fabulous, informative forum have to end up in a pissing match so often. Can't we just help each other and have some fun instead of character assasination? (ya, I know, I probably sppelled wrong)

(just to mention we are absolute Crestron fans, so my beefs on the panels, are not a beat up on Crestron thing in any way.....)
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