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WARNING!!! New CCP Update requires dealer login!
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Post 61 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 02:55
ZPrime
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Just an FYI to others, I was able to get it working again by rolling back just ccp.exe and urcframe.exe I'm not sure if ccp.exe even needs to be rolled back; I tried replacing only that with the old file, and nothing actually changed. urcframe seems to be the main culprit.

there are some weird visual inconsistencies now - the backup I had was from some time in late June, so my copies of the programs are still using the old GUI style, while the graphics for the remotes inside are using a newer gray style that the program gained when I updated... but everything still works OK despite the inconsistencies.

If the July 12th files retain the newer look without the login check, I'd love to get a copy of those (just so everything looks the same), but I understand that RC can't be party to that.

If I had more programming / debugging skill, I'd try to find a way to patch out / skip over the stupid login window... but I changed majors from comp. sci. to info systems for a reason. :P
Post 62 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 08:09
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On July 21, 2021 at 02:55, ZPrime said...
Just an FYI to others, I was able to get it working again by rolling back just ccp.exe and urcframe.exe I'm not sure if ccp.exe even needs to be rolled back; I tried replacing only that with the old file, and nothing actually changed. urcframe seems to be the main culprit.

there are some weird visual inconsistencies now - the backup I had was from some time in late June, so my copies of the programs are still using the old GUI style, while the graphics for the remotes inside are using a newer gray style that the program gained when I updated... but everything still works OK despite the inconsistencies.

If the July 12th files retain the newer look without the login check, I'd love to get a copy of those (just so everything looks the same), but I understand that RC can't be party to that.

If I had more programming / debugging skill, I'd try to find a way to patch out / skip over the stupid login window... but I changed majors from comp. sci. to info systems for a reason. :P

In my testing I found just doing the URCFrame.exe was enough.  Seems that is the main exe for the not only the programming but also what calls home to check for new updates.

I have not tested connecting to all of my devices yet with this new setup.  Hopefully this will work for a while.  I am sure URC will eventually close the loop with future updates.  And they probably read this forum - thanks alot URC :/.
Post 63 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 08:38
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We went back to a previous backup and just kept the complete July 12th update. It works for all the refurbished remotes we use and sell. We are not going to be using any of the new remotes in any hurry.
Post 64 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 10:57
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On July 20, 2021 at 12:17, Johnny Canuck said...
YIO One was done on Kickstarter and he delivered the product (to really positive reviews/feedback) so I have a fair bit of confidence that this one will be legit as well.

Not only have they delivered a product already, the original YIO remote files for building the first version are available on Github. [Link: github.com]

I considered building one of the first versions but the newer version looks to be improved.
Post 65 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 11:07
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On July 20, 2021 at 19:02, goldenzrule said...

As far as URC, for years everyone bitched about dealers being the bad guys.  URC put dealers in a bad spot by claiming they could give the software out.  It was not a dealers responsibility, but URCs and never should have been passed down to a dealer.  What they have done here is nothing new for them, just just decided to screw a different base of their customers this time.

Not everyone bitched about dealers, you only hear the complainers, I bet many users happily bought their remotes without a problem, I got CCP from Surf Remote who gladly gave me the software. I recommended them often on other forums.

When I was in school I had a job in retail, most customers were very nice, about 5% seemed like their goal in life was to be a giant dickhead to someone making barely more than minimum wage.
Post 66 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 11:18
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On July 21, 2021 at 08:09, Ernie said...
In my testing I found just doing the URCFrame.exe was enough.  Seems that is the main exe for the not only the programming but also what calls home to check for new updates.

I have not tested connecting to all of my devices yet with this new setup.  Hopefully this will work for a while.  I am sure URC will eventually close the loop with future updates.  And they probably read this forum - thanks alot URC :/.

True for me too.
OP | Post 67 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 11:27
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OK, I did the URCFrame.exe replacement after the update and CCP opens fine and all my devices still work after downloading again. Thanks for the tip!

I still went ahead and disabled CCP's network access, just in case, being implicitly paranoid. If I need something new I can always do the update / revert thing again.

I have to say looks like they cheaped out on the control graphics in the new UI ...
MX-990
Post 68 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 11:29
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On July 20, 2021 at 12:17, Johnny Canuck said...
YIO One was done on Kickstarter and he delivered the product (to really positive reviews/feedback) so I have a fair bit of confidence that this one will be legit as well.

The YIO remote looks impressive, but I'm not a fan of the button layout. I'm a hard button guy. The thing I've always loved about URC remotes is that they have the best hard button layouts out there. In my eyes, the MX-880 is pretty much perfection in terms of ergonomics. The transport controls and other important buttons are all super easy to find without looking. This is precisely why I've been such a dedicated URC customer for so many years. If I am forced to switch to something like the YIO remote at some point, I'll definitely feel like I am taking a big step backwards in this regard.
OP | Post 69 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 11:32
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On July 21, 2021 at 11:29, Loraquest said...
The YIO remote looks impressive, but I'm not a fan of the button layout. I'm a hard button guy. The thing I've always loved about URC remotes is that they have the best hard button layouts out there. In my eyes, the MX-880 is pretty much perfection in terms of ergonomics. The transport controls and other important buttons are all super easy to find without looking. This is precisely why I've been such a dedicated URC customer for so many years. If I am forced to switch to something like the YIO remote at some point, I'll definitely feel like I am taking a big step backwards in this regard.

I'm the same - I want buttons, which is why I went with the MX-990, which has 8 instead of 6 LCD buttons, and the color buttons.
MX-990
Post 70 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 11:54
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On July 21, 2021 at 00:50, daves22 said...
What user agreement? I just installed the latest (2017) standalone installer that I have. InstallShield displays a "WARNING: This program is protected by copyright laws and international treaties." And then proceeds to install without a user license agreement. I also didn't need to break any seals on envelopes etc since this sw was digitally distributed.

fwiw no user license agreement on live update either...

URC End User Agreement here: [Link: urc-automation.com]

While I am not sure how enforceable it is if it is not directly brought to our attention when installing, in of itself it is interesting in that it has the following statements:

1.1.3 “URC Software” means the executable code version of the computer programs in all forms that run on the URC Equipment irrespective of how such URC Software is delivered or made available to End User, including, delivery on media or by downloading in electronic form and includes all URC executable files, programming editors, code libraries, IR databases, RS-232 control code data bases, associated DLLs and devices drivers.

3.2 End User shall not use the URC Software or URC Documentation, except expressly designated under this EUA.

3.3 End User shall not copy, reproduce or transmit the URC Software or URC Documentation in any form

3.4 End User may not, directly or indirectly: (a) sell, rent, lease, sublicense, lend, allow access to or otherwise make available, the URC Software or URC Documentation to any entity or person; (b) make modifications to, or generate any derivative work or computer program from, the URC Software or the URC Documentation, (c) distribute, charge or receive any fee for access or use of the URC Software or URC Documentation; or (d) copy, reverse engineer, reverse compile, disassemble, decompile or otherwise manipulate/convert, develop a modified or derivative of the URC Software or URC Documentation or attempt to derive information from such.|

3.5 Use of the URC Software and URC Documentation by End User is limited to the initially installed URC Equipment and URC reserves the right to limit the use of the URC Software by device.

These statements clearly contemplate the "end user" (being us) having authorized possession of the software.
Post 71 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 11:55
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On July 21, 2021 at 11:32, DJ Garcia said...
I'm the same - I want buttons, which is why I went with the MX-990, which has 8 instead of 6 LCD buttons, and the color buttons.

I have a 980 for my home theater. The thing still works great 10 years later. If it ever breaks, I'll probably replace it with a 990 (assuming I'll still be able to program it). I have 900's and 880's throughout the rest of my house.

I've been a URC customer for a long time. My first remote was a an MX-500 back when it first came out, and I've bought exclusively URC products ever since. That's why this sudden policy change seems like such a huge slap in the face. I've been a customer for nearly 20 years, and all of the sudden they decide without warning to make all of my products obsolete. That total bulls**t as far as I'm concerned.
OP | Post 72 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 12:09
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On July 21, 2021 at 11:55, Loraquest said...
I have a 980 for my home theater. The thing still works great 10 years later. If it ever breaks, I'll probably replace it with a 990 (assuming I'll still be able to program it). I have 900's and 880's throughout the rest of my house.

I've been a URC customer for a long time. My first remote was a an MX-500 back when it first came out, and I've bought exclusively URC products ever since. That's why this sudden policy change seems like such a huge slap in the face. I've been a customer for nearly 20 years, and all of the sudden they decide without warning to make all of my products obsolete. That total bulls**t as far as I'm concerned.

I was an MX-3000 beta tester back in 2003-2004 ... the good old days :-)
MX-990
Post 73 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 12:53
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On July 21, 2021 at 12:09, DJ Garcia said...
I was an MX-3000 beta tester back in 2003-2004 ... the good old days :-)

Oh man ... if we're going down memory lane, I got into this with a Marantz RC1200MKII ... that thing was awesome. From there I had a couple of Prontos, an HK Take Control, probably a couple of Harmony's, a Nevo C2 (programmed using JP1 Remote Master) and many URC remotes (MX-500, MX-700, MX-980, MX-900, MX-880, MX-5000 (with MRX-1), MX-450, and currently multiple MX-990s).

Obviously the MX-980 was a fantastic remote, but I also really like the 880 except for the atrocious programming software. The 990s are great remotes.
Post 74 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 13:09
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Started with a Marantz Rxc2000 II as well, then Pronto, then Mx500, then Mx850, Mx3000, Mx950 (still in use in second system), then back to and still using Mx850, I like buttons and fast response, and find it hard to beat. I have a couple as new in boxes for when the current ones dies !
Post 75 made on Wednesday July 21, 2021 at 13:16
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On July 21, 2021 at 13:09, kdp99 said...
Started with a Marantz Rxc2000 II as well, then Pronto, then Mx500, then Mx850, Mx3000, Mx950 (still in use in second system), then back to and still using Mx850, I like buttons and fast response, and find it hard to beat. I have a couple as new in boxes for when the current ones dies !

I forgot ... I had a 950 as well. When I think about 11 URC remotes plus some base stations over the years and several thousand dollars in money spent through legit channels this just makes me even angrier at the treatment we've received.
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