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Post 1 made on Thursday February 7, 2019 at 17:23
Tkarns24
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Hey guys, I have sold and upgraded some of my home media stuff. I am now looking to understand and implement Ip control for most if not all my new devices and this decision is due to my biggest change which is going from urc MSC 400 and mx 980 to a mrx-2 with a mx-5000. I now want to better control and receive feedback from my new devices in real time.

Device list:
TV: LG 65UK7700
AVR: Sony STR ZA3100ES( for Now)
Media: NVIDIA Shield using Videostorm IRUSB dongle ( Thanks Barry for the tip)
Media Player: Oppo bluray
PS3

Issues1

a) CCP and my MX-5000 don't seem to like each other much. After I fixed the "Can't Connect Error Message" between the two system using some awesome step by steps I ran into something new to me. the first issues is in CCP under CREATE NAME AND DEVICES ----Devices------Categories ===Two Way Unsupported ( Can anyone help me understand why I am getting this response? I have check the manuals and can't find an answer)
(b)then I am getting the error on the remote when I go to download to the remote i get " A DHCP Server could not be contacted.Using cached lease information" (What am I doing that is causing this?)

Issue 2

As mentioned above I am interested in changing my system over to mostly IP if not all to IP, but at this time I a having a hard time finding the relevant source of IP's for my device. ( Is this a matter of fixing Issue1 (a) or is there somewhere else I need to start looking?)


Issue 3

When I got start with URC almost 10+ years ago I did not have need for any two way module and kept my learner to things that help me achieve the goals at that time. Now that I have chosen to take some new step there are a few things that I think I need/want /would be nice to have but I lack the credentials. for acquiring the two way modules. ( How can I get access to them? The dealer that I purchased my items and the CCP from is not longer in business to my knowledge). I am not against buying but I am very limited in that area.


I have CCP and can do a lot my own configurations. I also want to eventually I tie this into my veraplus controller which currently has my cameras, door and window lock as well as my thermostat on it.
Any help on how I can get IP control of my devices and the possible interaction between my veraplus and urc systems would be great. Thanks guys

Last edited by Tkarns24 on February 7, 2019 17:33.
OP | Post 2 made on Thursday February 7, 2019 at 17:31
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guys I anot sure How i go about posting an image I will look to fix that later
Post 3 made on Thursday February 7, 2019 at 18:26
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2 way unsupported I think is it telling you there aren't any 2 way drivers for the device you're trying to set up. The MX-5000 needs a DHCP server on your network. Usually this taken care of by your router.

Finding the proper IP codes takes a bit of work. Usually you can get this info from the manufacturer. Sony can be notoriously hard to get this info from direct. For their products it is better to look elsewhere. Like IR signals, there may not be a direct spec for your device but another for a similar one will work. Manufacturers save money by reusing hardware/code.

I'm not using any 2 way modules. They seemed to be limited to a very few devices none of which I have.

I use the MX-5000 for IP control and find it works really well. However my network is pretty well sorted out. The MX-5000 can have problems with improperly configured networks and wireless. I use it (well, 6 actually) without a base station.
OP | Post 4 made on Friday February 8, 2019 at 01:24
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On February 7, 2019 at 18:26, BizarroTerl said...
2 way unsupported I think is it telling you there aren't any 2 way drivers for the device you're trying to set up. ( So I have not selected any devices for this it's just one of the tabs under categories) The MX-5000 needs a DHCP server on your network. Usually this taken care of by your router. ( I have DHCP enable on my Netgear router/ I unchecked IP automatically and provide both CCP and the remote the IP address/ Submask and DNS they all match. Yet when I try to down a file i get it 53% of the way then it provides me with a download error in CCP and the DHCP message on the remote)

Finding the proper IP codes takes a bit of work. Usually you can get this info from the manufacturer. Sony can be notoriously hard to get this info from direct. For their products it is better to look elsewhere. Like IR signals, there may not be a direct spec for your device but another for a similar one will work. Manufacturers save money by reusing hardware/code. ( what sources have worked for you in the past? Is the consensus that If I am not able to find the IP information online that I may need to reach out to the manufacture? )

I'm not using any 2 way modules. They seemed to be limited to a very few devices none of which I have.( I am going to need one for the IRUSB dongle controlling my Nvidia Shield)

I use the MX-5000 for IP control and find it works really well. However my network is pretty well sorted out. The MX-5000 can have problems with improperly configured networks and wireless. I use it (well, 6 actually) without a base station. (Well I can not say that it's not my network but I have no other issue within my home other that connecting the remote and because it provides the same message regardless if the download is coming from the cable or the network really makes me think that the issue is else where)
Post 5 made on Friday February 8, 2019 at 09:26
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It's very unlikely you'll ever see any updates for IP and/or 2-way drivers for the MX-5000 as it's been discontinued for quite a few years now. Maybe just updates to the CCP database which ultimately feeds the 5000 for IR commands. There is a way to add 1-way IP strings as was mentioned, but their MX-HomePro line is where 2-way control and IP are going (unless you want to step into their Total Control products).
OP | Post 6 made on Friday February 8, 2019 at 15:10
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Definitely not going to be able to go with TC since it's locked from the DIYer. So here is a question : How are you guys able to use IP for controlling you devices using the MX-5000. Can and do you still get feedback from you devices without the 2 way modules?

On February 8, 2019 at 09:26, JoeFlabitz said...
It's very unlikely you'll ever see any updates for IP and/or 2-way drivers for the MX-5000 as it's been discontinued for quite a few years now. Maybe just updates to the CCP database which ultimately feeds the 5000 for IR commands. There is a way to add 1-way IP strings as was mentioned, but their MX-HomePro line is where 2-way control and IP are going (unless you want to step into their Total Control products).
Post 7 made on Monday February 11, 2019 at 18:30
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I can get feedback, but decided not to use it. I looked at what I would need to do (significant programming) and the benefits I would get (minimal). It just didn't seem to be worth it. I found that displaying the volume on the remote (one of the 2-way modules) sounds neat, but my receivers already do that on screen.

When using the remote it is used as a typical wand remote for most things and a touch for more complicated tasks(macros). The complicated tasks wouldn't really benefit from visual feedback. I realized that for me, 2-way is essentially a gimmick.

Do you have something in particular you're looking to do?
Post 8 made on Monday February 11, 2019 at 18:43
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The MX-5000 uses a Microsoft OS. It isn't very robust hardware wise. Because of this it is susceptible to network issues. You need to be absolutely positive your DHCP server is working properly and so is your wireless. The MX-5000 has a reputation with some installers but I'm convinced the issues they've seen are, for the most part, are because of improper network setup. Use good hardware and set it up properly and the MX-5000 is pretty reliable. That said, DHCP isn't really involved when you're pushing a program to the remote via a USB cable. Maybe something isn't set up properly on the remote?

As for getting IP commands you can look here on this forum and sometimes you can get the specs from the manufacturer. They may be easily found in the support section or you may have to open a support case with them. If you try this with Sony be prepared for a great deal of frustration. Google is your friend.
OP | Post 9 made on Tuesday February 12, 2019 at 16:34
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honestly no. I guess you asked the golden question and I realized that my desire for this is really around the cool factor and not for a need. With that being said having the ability to see from the remote which streaming music track is playing without having to turn on the TV is still a nice feature.

On February 11, 2019 at 18:30, BizarroTerl said...
I can get feedback, but decided not to use it. I looked at what I would need to do (significant programming) and the benefits I would get (minimal). It just didn't seem to be worth it. I found that displaying the volume on the remote (one of the 2-way modules) sounds neat, but my receivers already do that on screen.

When using the remote it is used as a typical wand remote for most things and a touch for more complicated tasks(macros). The complicated tasks wouldn't really benefit from visual feedback. I realized that for me, 2-way is essentially a gimmick.

Do you have something in particular you're looking to do
OP | Post 10 made on Friday March 22, 2019 at 10:17
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@ BizarroTerl
So I have gotten my remote working again, I believe that the issues was CCP was updated and my PC was not so the 2 way hand shake was not happening.
Now here is where things standing. In the latest CCP update, URC updated the IR codes for almost all the devices that I have, but IP is still missing.
So here is my question to you: How are you controlling devices that have IR codes in CCP but that don't have an IP code to match?
I think once I can understand that part I will be breezing through the rest of the setup. I will keep looking , but can definitely use your help understanding this portion.

On February 7, 2019 at 18:26, BizarroTerl said...
2 way unsupported I think is it telling you there aren't any 2 way drivers for the device you're trying to set up. The MX-5000 needs a DHCP server on your network. Usually this taken care of by your router.

Finding the proper IP codes takes a bit of work. Usually you can get this info from the manufacturer. Sony can be notoriously hard to get this info from direct. For their products it is better to look elsewhere. Like IR signals, there may not be a direct spec for your device but another for a similar one will work. Manufacturers save money by reusing hardware/code.

I'm not using any 2 way modules. They seemed to be limited to a very few devices none of which I have.

I use the MX-5000 for IP control and find it works really well. However my network is pretty well sorted out. The MX-5000 can have problems with improperly configured networks and wireless. I use it (well, 6 actually) without a base station.
OP | Post 11 made on Friday March 22, 2019 at 12:42
Tkarns24
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Update to my dilenma.
So this morning i pulled up the help tutorials and when through the steps of removing and then adding devices to CCP for my MX5000.
In the guide it talks about adding IP's in the Properties window for devices that use them. That I have done. Only one device was assigned assigned a port ID ( my LG TV) all others remain at 0. I have no base station attached and as I am looking to follow in BizarroTerl foot steps and not use a base.
Unfortunately for me in the RF CONTROL tab, it does not allow me to save the setting without a base station " Please select a receiver for all RF and Network devices" is the error message I am getting.
Here is the list of items currently in my arsenal
Device list:
Lg Tv 65UK7700
Denon AVR1912
NVIDIA Shield
Oppo blu ray
PS 3

I can currently control 4 out of the 5 items via IR. None via RF or Wifi.
I am not using Serial as I am not very well versed in that setup.

BizarroTerl- How are you able to control all your devices without the base?
How are you able to test in DATABASE an IP device when the TEST button is washed out so that one can not click on it.

Others- Is there something that I am not seeing or understanding with 1 way IP control?


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